These are two senior educational psychologists, both involved in the training of EPs, this week discussing why children should use spaces based on gender ID not sex, why there doesn't need to be caution around social transition in schools and why Cass is wrong.
This is why it's going to be hard getting this ideology out of schools.
Schools are going to be turning to these people as the 'experts' to advise on social transition when they are unsure: