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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What's the deal guys?

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shadesOfTeal · 17/02/2026 21:23

I don't think this post is going to last long but what's the deal with hating trans women so much? I've been a women for 13 years of my life since 18 and it's never been a problem. Suddenly I'm not only talk of the town but also an evil man stealing everyone's rights away from them? I wasn't much of a boy as a kid anyway but. I just wanted to ask like what's the deal? Why do you hate the idea of me existing so much? What have I personally done to you that's been so bad? I feel like I need to be careful with my words because it'll be easy to accuse me of all sorts but I've done no harm to anyone. If you want to ask a trans woman some honest questions then please do, I don't usually talk about it in my day to day life and that, I'm pretty down to earth and will help you understand as much as possible. But I'd like to ask the people that hate me so much, can we ever get along? Please don't assume I'm what the internet and the media says I am though, I'm not like that at all! I just want us all to get on and I'm sick of having my life debated every 5 minutes.

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nicepotoftea · 19/02/2026 11:01

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 10:58

Great maybe one day we'll all sit in the male change room and discuss our breasts, waist to hip ratio, fat/muscle distribution and pelvic tilts.

What you do in the male changing room is between you and other men.

Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:01

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 10:51

I started tanner 2 at 15. I began estrogen at 15.

So, estrogen while all that testosterone was still also pumping through your body then? Is that correct?

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:02

FuzzyPuffling · 19/02/2026 11:01

As long as you're in the male estate, you can talk about whatever you like.

It's never happened and likely never will.

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:03

Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:01

So, estrogen while all that testosterone was still also pumping through your body then? Is that correct?

Estinyl was shockingly effective at shutting testosterone down.

FuzzyPuffling · 19/02/2026 11:04

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:02

It's never happened and likely never will.

Bring on the properly managed laws!

Although, I suspect by your spelling of oestrogen, you're not in the UK.
Or just poor at spelling.

MarieDeGournay · 19/02/2026 11:04

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CapacityBrown · 19/02/2026 11:05

Why are trans people so obsessed over this theory of existence?

All people exist, get over it. No one questions the existence of a person (except mythological people).

I don't hear women saying their existence is being denied when trans activists demand legal changes. But I hear very much about rights being lost.

Trans activism is very much tied up in fatalism. "If I can't have my healthy penis removed I will die because I will kill myself", "If I can't tick the female box on a form I no longer exist".

TheKeatingFive · 19/02/2026 11:05

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:01

We're all still waiting for that guidance and the inevitable influence of the ECHR.

You don't need any guidance, the law is clear

Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:05

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 10:58

Great maybe one day we'll all sit in the male change room and discuss our breasts, waist to hip ratio, fat/muscle distribution and pelvic tilts.

Well all those things you mention are a result of artificial hormone manipulation in a male body, although some breast development in male people is a natural occurance. So if you are in a male changing room, you might find other male people who will have similar.

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:05

FuzzyPuffling · 19/02/2026 11:04

Bring on the properly managed laws!

Although, I suspect by your spelling of oestrogen, you're not in the UK.
Or just poor at spelling.

I wasn't born in the UK, I'm just lazy. The 'o' is way over here on the other side of the keyboard.

Myalternate · 19/02/2026 11:06

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 09:04

I've never thought of myself as a 'legal woman.' Should I have been looking for one?

When you look in a mirror you see what you want to see.

You’re in your 50’s and by now you’ll have had X sex hormones for 40 odd years but despite that, if you stop taking them, you’ll revert to being a typical male.

Biological women will never become male despite the loss of natural hormones.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/02/2026 11:07

OldCrone · 19/02/2026 10:15

Bigots.

I’m quite happy to out myself as a sex realist. When my husband and I decided to try for kids we didn’t scissors paper stone to decide who would be trying to get pregnant. We were both quite clear who was peeing on a stick

sex realists see. I’m going to guess that every other couple (including same sex ones) in the world trying for children establish a similar sex based division of labour, so I don’t really feel particularly alone as a sex realist

Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:07

CapacityBrown · 19/02/2026 11:05

Why are trans people so obsessed over this theory of existence?

All people exist, get over it. No one questions the existence of a person (except mythological people).

I don't hear women saying their existence is being denied when trans activists demand legal changes. But I hear very much about rights being lost.

Trans activism is very much tied up in fatalism. "If I can't have my healthy penis removed I will die because I will kill myself", "If I can't tick the female box on a form I no longer exist".

It is the emotional manipulation that is needed to convince people to comply in acting as if they believe a male can be a female person.

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:07

Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:05

Well all those things you mention are a result of artificial hormone manipulation in a male body, although some breast development in male people is a natural occurance. So if you are in a male changing room, you might find other male people who will have similar.

i highly doubt it. I don't know why sex realists reject the fact that some trans women fully develop breasts through all tanner stages.

MarieDeGournay · 19/02/2026 11:08

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On the plus side, there may be another out -of-touch transwoman on the platform who has also misread the timetable, and the two of you can discuss your breasts, waist to hip ratio, fat/muscle distribution and pelvic tilts while you wait for the train.. which has already left.

nicepotoftea · 19/02/2026 11:08

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:01

We're all still waiting for that guidance and the inevitable influence of the ECHR.

The law was passed in 2010 and applies now.

Hoping for the 'influence' of the ECHR will not stop you from being prosecuted now if you break the law.

nicepotoftea · 19/02/2026 11:09

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:07

i highly doubt it. I don't know why sex realists reject the fact that some trans women fully develop breasts through all tanner stages.

You don't develop breasts.

You develop Gynecomastia.

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:09

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/02/2026 11:07

I’m quite happy to out myself as a sex realist. When my husband and I decided to try for kids we didn’t scissors paper stone to decide who would be trying to get pregnant. We were both quite clear who was peeing on a stick

sex realists see. I’m going to guess that every other couple (including same sex ones) in the world trying for children establish a similar sex based division of labour, so I don’t really feel particularly alone as a sex realist

Sex realist is so much more accurate than gender critical. I'm surprised more don't use it.

AnSolas · 19/02/2026 11:09

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nicepotoftea · 19/02/2026 11:10

Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:05

Well all those things you mention are a result of artificial hormone manipulation in a male body, although some breast development in male people is a natural occurance. So if you are in a male changing room, you might find other male people who will have similar.

Yes - moobs are not uncommon in men.

AnSolas · 19/02/2026 11:11

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 10:58

Great maybe one day we'll all sit in the male change room and discuss our breasts, waist to hip ratio, fat/muscle distribution and pelvic tilts.

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Beowulfa · 19/02/2026 11:12

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Helleofabore · 19/02/2026 11:14

onepostwonder · 19/02/2026 11:07

i highly doubt it. I don't know why sex realists reject the fact that some trans women fully develop breasts through all tanner stages.

Because, as you have been told already, that is a male breast that has been developed.

It is not a fully functional and integrated feeding system that reacts to a female person’s infant’s needs. No matter what ‘protocol’ is used, it will always be a male breast and not have the functionality as a female breast has. This is again the ‘near enough is good enough’ tactic you and other male people use to justify your claims about having female bodies and female bodily processes.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge it, doesn’t mean that you haven’t had the information given or that it isn’t accurate.

AnSolas · 19/02/2026 11:15

nicepotoftea · 19/02/2026 11:00

I'm not sure what your goal is in posting here, but insisting that a man cannot be prosecuted if he refuses to leave a single sex facility for women doesn't do much to help trans people.

It proves that some TIM will engage in criminal activity to access women in what should be a a female only single sex space

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