Webberly reports Cass to the GMC - get popcorn

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https://www.helenwebberley.com/p/i-have-referred-dr-hilary-cass-to

so because we have gender stereotypes we should allow children to become lifelong medical patients so they can lean into the stereotypes of their desired gender?
(statistics show that children who start puberty blockers are likely to continue on to cross sex hormones, setting themselves up to become lifelong medical patients)

That isn't what I said. Read again what I wrote which was "most children seem to grow out of it, go on to be 'just' gay and/or have other comorbidities such as mental health problems/neurodivergence/other reasons to try and identify out of their biological sex/gender stereotypes,"

There are plenty of resources out there, I'd start with the Hannah Barnes book. Or the Cass Review. You could also look at the resources available from The Bayswater Group or Transgender Trend.

I never specifically said that, I was generalising about gender affirming care. Where I am talking about PBs specifically, I mention them

The normal minimum age for puberty to start is 8 for girls and 9 for boys ( I said this in an earlier post). So it would be a maximum of 2 years for a girl and 3 for a boy. I think in practice they try to minimise exposure to the drugs so they might consider a slightly early puberty is better than taking the drugs for longer.

If that's your limited response to being called out for discussing adults when the focus is children, you're unlikely to be a parent, have zero experience with children (apart from having been one) and are totally unaware of what safeguarding looks like.

It is called care for a reason

How do you define 'care'?

It's not care, care would involve counselling and explaining to confused children that they are their bodies and that not conforming to stereotypes doesn't make them the opposite sex.

One of the original cohort (the original Dutch Protocol experiment) died after having a terrible complication that resulted in a large percentage of their skin being removed.

The DP should have stopped right there. It should never have been replicated.

They took a healthy boy with a psychological condition, halted his puberty, stunted his penile development, resulting in his colon needing to be used in the Vaginoplasty (not enough penile tissue). This then caused the huge skin infection that was so bad that in a last-ditch attempt to save his life, they removed a lot of his skin to try to halt the infection. He died.

Remember - they started with a physically healthy patient.

I also want to push back on this idea that everyone is 'Trans' or 'Cis'.

I am neither. I do not have a gender identity.

So many terrible examples of what Cass has called "brutal surgery"
All done to physically healthy but extremely mentally unwell and fragile children and young people.

AGPs use these vulnerable people to validate themselves and to get their demands pandered to.

When you realise that, you can never unsee it.

Care DOES involve counselling and explaining exactly as you say that conforming to stereotypes isn't an issue, unfortunately, we live in a world where that IS the issue.
Care is NOT just surgical or medical.

are you new to this discussion?
Care often doesn’t include adequate thorough counselling because anything other than affirmation is considered conversion therapy. Children have been let down. Huge safeguarding fails.

Look up the dissatisfaction rates for surgeries performed in the UK and you'll find the regret rate for gender surgeries sits at the bottom of the list (less than 10%) whereas something like a knee replacement is near 25-30% regret

Technically speaking then, you are Trans, congraulations.

Well, we know that in Canada, anything that is not 100% affirming would be considered conversion therapy and would result in a jail sentence. Canada has self-ID, and counselling for gender dysphoria would not be considered affirming.

There are also counsellors here who would consider any conversation with a counsellor that is not 100% affirming as conversion therapy.

If you genuinely feel that way, please, please go and read Hannah Barnes’ book Time To Think about the complete dereliction of this kind of duty at the Tavistock. We are not a group of people who blindly want to prevent a particular group of people from receiving healthcare. We are a group of people who have seen how that healthcare has gone horribly wrong and we would like to stop it happening to other children.

No. I am not.

I do not have the religious-like belief of a gendered soul. I reject it all. I am a gender atheist.

You asking this just confirms it.

Puberty is the developmental stage that transforms a child into an adult, physically, emotionally and intellectually. If you block puberty you have an individual who will never be fully adult. And no, someone cannot go through an opposite sex puberty, however many medications they might take or surgeries they might undergo.

This may be welcome news to some people, but one could reasonably be suspicious as to why they might welcome it.

Could you explain what you mean by gender affirming care for cis people, @TiredoftheRhetoric ? Do you mean cosmetic surgery and other cosmetic interventions? and are you therefore equating gender reassignment medical interventions with cosmetic interventions?

That is interesting in itself. But, additionally, it is worth mentioning that cosmetic interventions (for the people you call cis) wouldn't generally be considered ethical if they produced the same level of risk, lifelong medicalisation and adverse health outcomes that PBs are associated with. Additionally, very many people think they can be unethical even with a relatively low level of risk

If you don't mean cosmetic interventions, can you clarify what you do mean? I can think of medical procedures that are intended to rectify or mitigate specific disorders, and which may additionally have the effect of changing aspects of presentation in ways that are 'gender aligned', but I can't think of instances where such procedures are carried out for the purpose of gender affirmation.

Children need to become adults

The way that happens is puberty.

15+ years ago, no one (except for a group of teenage girls on Tumblr and a few others) thought that everyone had this kind of 'gendered soul' that either matched or did not match their sex. It is a recent and unusual belief, and it should not be inflicted on people against their will.

It is also typical of TRA speak. I define myself, and you cannot argue against my self-identity, but I also define you, and you cannot argue against the identity that I inflict on you.

Given all the evidence that so called "gender care" is typified by a lack of recorded data (see Time to Think, Cass and all reputable sources), any "data" allegedly comparing experimental surgery / use of drugs on gender confused children and adults with normal medicine is never going to give credible results.

There is a very good argument that Brazilian Butt Lifts (and indeed other cosmetic operations) are extremely unethical IMO, and they don't have the complications that extreme genital surgery has.

We need to remember that Plastic surgery (reconstruction or surgery to help with disfigurement) is not the same as Cosmetic surgery (on a healthy and physically normal individual).

No. A 6 year old will not be on PBs for six years. Puberty is normally from age 8 or 9 so treating precocious puberty the PBs would only need to be prescribed for 2-3 years not six years.