A call to all wims to challenge registered charities who claim to be women’s services who include “transwomen”

[Hedgehogforshort]

Inspired by a post about Nottinghams Women’s Centre being trans inclusive, I think it is time we did something. Like pull the ruddy rug on them.

I don’t think it will need the extensive work of the NHS data thread.

There are hundreds of alleged women’s only services who are registered charities. They mostly have a governing document describing themselves as for women only but do not mention “transwomen” in their objects, but do in unlawful policy documents.

All charities have a beneficiary group, which they cannot stray from.

Also if they change their objectives to be “inclusive’”IMHO” the funds they hold on behalf of the original beneficiaries, must be handed back or ring fenced, which is why some of the major charities have conceded, ergo the WI and GG.

My idea is that we target our own localities and make a complaint to the charity commission, about the charity we are a potential beneficiary of.

what do you all think? Happy to coordinate this though i may need @knottyauty

meanwhile i am off to look at a few national bodies

I would suggest re reading my posts a little more carefully, that bears no resemblance to anything being said here.

Yes, when you exclude women from women's services, and abandon your care for your women service users and accept harm to them so that you can benefit men who wish to be 'validated' as women, you are most certainly centering men over women. I'd suggest reading some of the threads around the Edinburgh Rape Crisis court case for a very in depth demonstration of this. Women were thrown to the wolves in the pursuit of male-centred transactivism.

I am not sure to be honest i am shit at coordinating aren’t I.

but i will crack on anyway unless you want to dib some up with me 😁

Think that might get legitimately turned down. Unless they hold a specific list of women's charities, which I doubt, it would be a lot of work to trawl all their registrants.
The CC is reprehensibly under-resourced relative to the size of the charity sector, it might be strategically more helpful for us to identify relevant charities & leave the CCs scant resources for investigation & action to bring charities back into conformity with their governing documents, itself a time-consuming process.

actually propose some fucking solutions for trans women and men too, because then you look less like a bunch of hateful agenda bashers.

Why is it up to women to come up with solutions for the male sex? Not that we haven't already - thirds spaces, but why must women do all the work? We advocate for our own sex. It's not up to us to find solutions for the male sex.

And why is it 'hateful' to advocate for female only spaces?

The issue is males, not trans. And it's your group that harm and cause misery and pain to women and girls and rape/abuse survivors because you don't see females as human and deserving of sex based spaces and rights.

At night stuff crawls out the woodwork that being fast asleep one would ordinarily be oblivious too

never wise to stay up and see the ghouls live and in action.

’The law’ and enforcing it in practice are different things, which you obviously acknowledge by your need for action despite legal decisions. If you think hectoring people is effective, go ahead, but Asti g the time and resources of women’s charities is the opposite of reaching those women you describe as ‘hard to reach’ (do people really still use that phrase?)

I’m with you on honest labelling, I just don’t agree with your tactics or language around it. It’s not about being ‘nice’ it’s about actually achieving anything.

It’s hateful if you choose to use hateful language, and it’s weirdly divisive to think that women should only campaign for women on any given issue. It’s possible to care about the health and happiness of more than one group of people. Fine if you don’t want to, but don’t be surprised when people find that divisive and strange, and when government and legal decision makers and funders don’t get on board, because they have to care about more than one group.

So if OP would have reviewed how charities registered with the Charity Commission, they would see that the rules DO NOT recognize complaints as a reason to close one down (see below). If you choose not to support them, like I would never support the TERF Island Council, then don't do it. Making complaints though gets you nowhere. Actually research these things before feeding into this right-wing nut job propaganda.

How to close a charity

to use the language of the usual women haters, lot of frothing going on. We must be on to something!

To be clear i don’t want any charity to shut down, what I believe they should be doing is operating as was intended, for women.

Well this is what we're not supposed to do. We're not supposed to have legal rights to boundaries and things that men can't take from us. And we're definitely absolutely not supposed to tell people about it and interfere with the misinformation campaigns that oppress women to benefit men.

Hence the nonsense about wanting to drive poor men with gender identities away from having any resource or service at all...... no, women have never wanted those men to be left with nothing, they just wanted equality of access and provisions for all. That was it. It was the activists who wanted it to be zero sum and insist they only have enough if they've ensured that no women can have single sex provision and so some women have nothing at all.

And then put up gloating, illiterate social media about 'enjoy ur erasure'.

I think we've noticed having been reporting things like major serial safeguarding disasters for years.

We seem to be managing without advice so far from angry men.

And women wanting a space that doesn't have angry, entitled men using them in it is right wing is it? Yes. Of course it is. Extremist right wing parties are always so very pro women's rights and independence.

@Hedgehogforshort ill have a go at writing a letter Do you want to PM me a charity or a letter or shall I have a go by myself?

Hiya thanks for the offer. We are checking all the charities objects first and generating a list before we send any letters.

Bloody Good Period have closed down btw (from the list upthread

could scottish charities like engender and equate be included?

Well I have done a deep dive into Women’s Federation of England. (WAFE).

they issued a statement in 2022 regarding including trans women, but I found it on a local Women’s Aid, not on theirs. It allowed members to decide for themselves.

Interestingly their objectives were amended April 22nd 2025, just six days after the FWS SC ruling was handed down.

I can’t access the previous objective, but if I recall correctly they have returned to their original position, of for women only.

I think what was going on for Women’s Aid is they paid lip service to trans women inclusion because it would have created funding issues for themselves since they are based in Bristol.

The statement I read seems to me to provide some cover from local agencies put in a difficult position at the time.

So there will be no need to put them on the list.

@weegielass I looked at Engendered who are a registered Charity no SC029053

Their objects are for women and there is plenty of blurb about trans women on their site.

However they seem to be a campaign group for political and legislative change.

I am not therefore sure they fall within a description of a service, for the purposes of the Equality Act.

And this excessive is looking at direct services.

I don’t think Equate is a registered charity.

Also Scotland has a separate regulator and I have no knowledge of how that works.

"their objectives were amended April 22nd 2025 ... I can’t access the previous objective"

I didn't realise that the Women's Aid Federation of England (WAFE) were such a large charity. They are a company limited by guarantee (like the Good Law Project incidentally) and you can find their filing history on Companies House website:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03171880/filing-history

They had earlier objects but they were all worded very similarly. They all seem to refer to "women and children" and the only real changes appear to be that the objects have swapped back and forwards between "exposed to domestic violence" and "exposed to gender-based violence".

I hadn't realised that WAFE seems to be an overarching entity that has around 180 separate organisations as members. It may well be that some of those individual organisations have some very different ideas.

There was also an extract from the minutes of an AGM back in 2008 where people were concerned about male victims of DV and how that was to be handled.

There were concerns that including specialist DV services that were operated by men for male victims of DV would make things more difficult.

Oh my god. I can't decide what's worse - they desire to target women's centres (costing them precious funds & destroying their ability to help women), or the total.lack of empathy towards women who are different.

You are all planning to reduce the reach of incredibly precious services just because you can't handle the reality that some users might be trans?

Wow.

Trans identified women should be able to use the services. As this might make it difficult for some other women perhaps these organisations should apply some thought to that.

Trans identifying men seem to have a lot of celebrities, some quite wealthy, who claim to support them. Perhaps they could stick their hands in their pockets to help these blokes?

No mate, we plan to make charities conform with the law.
If you're all bent out of shape that some men might be prevented from imposing themselves where they don't belong & never belonged, pull your finger out & set up specific charities for them

I hadn't realised that WAFE seems to be an overarching entity that has around 180 separate organisations as members. It may well be that some of those individual organisations have some very different ideas.

Now that's interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

WAFE was set up as an umbrella body in the early days of the refuge a DVA women's support movement.

Refuge was the original refuge service set up by Erin Prizzy and now delivers various refuge services across London and some other places.