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GLP v EHRC judgement is coming tomorrow

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DownhillTeaTray · 12/02/2026 14:44

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

Jolyon Maugham KC (@goodlawproject.org)

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

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FranticFrankie · 13/02/2026 15:25

SpidersAreShitheads · 13/02/2026 14:48

I don’t know if I’m missing something here but GLP and TRAs wailing about being outed….

These are biological men using the women’s toilets who have decided to give themselves the label of trans woman. Are they seriously suggesting that when they use the women’s toilets none of us can tell they’re actually men? They really think we’re fooled??

And if they have to use the disabled toilet, we’ll suddenly realise they weren’t actually women after all??

is that what’s being suggested?

Yes Spiders- of course you terfs can't tell, ya BIGOTS!!!
Sad times (again)

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:26

Toilets for biological women.
Toilets for women and transwomen.

But you can't provide JUST toilets for "women and transwomen" as that would discriminate agsisnt women- so there must be both?

Then we will see one toilet for women, and the full ladies loos with multiple loos (previously for women) for women & transwomen.

this wont be good for women & girls

LeftieRightsHoarder · 13/02/2026 15:26

service providers may lawfully provide, for example, women’s toilets which both cis and trans women are permitted to use, but from which cis men are still excluded.

I don’t understand this. It is the opposite of the SC judgement, isn’t it? The whole point is that TWAM, so if they’re allowed into women’s facilities, then all men have to be allowed in. It’s the last thing we want.

Sorry I’ve been in a rush and may have missed the answer to this.

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:30

Here we have an entire thread of women who are VERY knowlegable & informed on this subject, who follow the legal cases etc, who are bloody informed & clever and still I see much confusion & very little certainty as to what the position re womens spaces vis SC judgement actaully is.

what is going on?

WallaceinAnderland · 13/02/2026 15:31

service providers may lawfully provide, for example, women’s toilets which both cis and trans women are permitted to use, but from which cis men are still excluded

It's all in the labelling. If it's women only, it has to say women only. If there is provision for women and transwomen, but no provision for women only then it is unlawful. They would have to be in addition to women only. I can't see anyone going to the expense or bother tbh.

And it would also mean that predatory men could use the 'women and transwomen' toilet because who would challenge them. If they are self identifying they don't have to alter their appearance, they can just waltz in.

SinnerBoy · 13/02/2026 15:32

EasternStandard · Today 11:03

nauticant · Today 11:02

^https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meqe54wwpc22^
What’s the silver lining he mentions, anyone know?

That men unafflicted by gender won't be allowed to bring a discrimination case, if an organisation lets transw use the wrong toilets, but not the man unafflicted by gender.

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:35

SinnerBoy · 13/02/2026 15:32

EasternStandard · Today 11:03

nauticant · Today 11:02

^https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meqe54wwpc22^
What’s the silver lining he mentions, anyone know?

That men unafflicted by gender won't be allowed to bring a discrimination case, if an organisation lets transw use the wrong toilets, but not the man unafflicted by gender.

we're all afflicted by fecking (undefinable) gender though. 🤬

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:36

how can anyone prove affliction by gender or not?
No one has ever defined gender.

Greyskybluesky · 13/02/2026 15:36

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 14:55

Akua Reindorf to Carla Denyer 🔥

Carla Denyer who's been going door to door to find out who buys Israel-made products? That Carla Denyer? Why not paint a yellow star on their gateposts, Carla? You know you want to.

theilltemperedamateur · 13/02/2026 15:38

LeftieRightsHoarder · 13/02/2026 15:26

service providers may lawfully provide, for example, women’s toilets which both cis and trans women are permitted to use, but from which cis men are still excluded.

I don’t understand this. It is the opposite of the SC judgement, isn’t it? The whole point is that TWAM, so if they’re allowed into women’s facilities, then all men have to be allowed in. It’s the last thing we want.

Sorry I’ve been in a rush and may have missed the answer to this.

He's saying it's not intrinsic but fact dependent and a holistic 'less favourable treatment' analysis is needed.

The same scrupulousness led to him finding against on Article 8 etc, because FWS could allow unfavourable treatment of trans, but doesn't lead to it in every case.

Another2Cats · 13/02/2026 15:38

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2026 14:58

Isn't "reasonable" the touchstone of interpretation of all law ?

The person on the Clapham Omnibus ?

"The person on the Clapham Omnibus ?"

Sorry, I'm just going off at a total tangent here.

Yes, the man on the Clapham omnibus is the reasonable person whose opinion will provide a guide to what the person on the street will think in a given situation.

The Clapham omnibus has many passengers. The most venerable is the reasonable man, who was born during the reign of Queen Victoria but remains in vigorous health. Amongst the other passengers are the right-thinking member of society (from the law of defamation), the officious bystander, the reasonable parent, the reasonable landlord, and the fair-minded and informed observer, all of whom have had season tickets for many years.

There have also been some additional passengers from the EU, such as 'the reasonably well-informed and diligent tenderer'

In later cases our man became a gender neutral “traveller” and took to the London Underground in 1999 (as any reasonable man would) and when he emigrated to other commonwealth countries, his choice of public transport varied from the Shau Kei Wan Tram in Hong Kong (2007) to the Bondi Tram in New South Wales (1991).
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However his or her opinions and standards can and will change over time and that is also what he/she is there for.

Take for example, the concept of a a child's "welfare", as the word was used in section 1 of the Guardianship of Infants Act 1925, now section 1 of the Children Act 1989.

The concept of welfare is, no doubt, the same today as it was in 1925, but the contents of that concept (ie what "welfare" actually looks like in practice) have changed and continue to change.

A child's welfare is not to be judged today by the standards of their grandparents (or even great-grandparents) on the Clapham omnibus back in 1925, (over a 100 years ago now), nor by the standards of their parents on a Routemaster back in 1989 but by the standards of reasonable men and women in 2026 tapping on and off a bus with their debit card.
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Sorry, I know this is totally off tangent.

MalagaNights · 13/02/2026 15:38

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:26

Toilets for biological women.
Toilets for women and transwomen.

But you can't provide JUST toilets for "women and transwomen" as that would discriminate agsisnt women- so there must be both?

Then we will see one toilet for women, and the full ladies loos with multiple loos (previously for women) for women & transwomen.

this wont be good for women & girls

Yes there would have to be both:

Toilets for biological women.
And
Toilets for anyone who feels like a women.

And men's toilets.

It would be bloody ridiculous.

I wish the judge could just say:
There are 2 sexs, facilties for each, use the one in line with your sex.

No one gives a toss about your gender identity or how you feel about it.

But because the concept of gender reassignment has been written into law and given validity we're in the most ridiculous mess.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 15:39

Regarding Denmark and the claim that Scandinavia has mixed sex facilities as standard and that it is no issue because everyone is "so relaxed about their body".

"Back in 2014, the EU’s Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA) had already published a landmark survey on violence against women based on a sample across 28 EU Member States. It revealed that Danish women reported the highest levels of physical, sexual and psychological violence in the EU, as well as the greatest prevalence of sexual harassment. According to the survey, an astounding 52% of Danish women reported having experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15.

https://ereb.eu/story/how-sexual-violence-in-denmark-exposes-the-myth-of-its-gender-equality/

https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2014-vaw-survey-main-results-apr14_en.pdf

Keeptoiletssafe · 13/02/2026 15:41

MalagaNights · 13/02/2026 13:04

Thanks for this.

So is the judgement saying there could be a case for trans women to use women's facilities without it necessarily discriminating against other men?
But unless there were also single sex women's facilities this would be indirect discrimination against women?

So you could have a situation where there are:
Single sex men's toilets
Single sex women's toilets
Mixed sex toilets
And women's toilets for women and transwomen??

Good grief.

Remember when they told us how silly we were to go on about toilets all the time?

Yes and wheelchair users and some others with specific sanitary needs don’t get a choice, they have to use mixed sex.

So you could have
womens
womens ambulant
womens disabled
womens with men
womens (private design)
mens
mens ambulant
mens disabled
mens with women
mens (private design)
unisex
unisex ambulant
unisex disabled

That would satisfy everyone’s wants if toilets were used correctly for the things they should be. People who for religious reasons don’t want to use unisex, people who are frail who want handrails, people who want separate sex for safety and dignity and comfort , disabled people who want separate sex, people who don’t want to be in the toilets for the sex they were born for a host of different reasons, disabled people who don’t want separate sex, people who want privacy but separate sex (ibs etc), people who are carers for disabled adult people of the opposite sex, people who want the sink in the toilet cubicle for privacy, people who don’t want the sink next to the toilet because of flush plumes of previous occupants.

The problem is non domestic toilets are not used for things they should be. In the wants list above you end up digressing from the safest and healthiest designs (single sex in a single sex environment). Misuse happens in private enclosed toilets and women and children suffer most. Supervision is lost in private enclosed toilets and anyone needing it - the medically vulnerable, young and elderly - suffer most.

Wants and needs are different. Some of the wants list above are very obviously needs.

Obviously there has to be compromise and that compromise should be soundly based on health and safety - bearing limitations of space, economics and historical problems (eg listed buildings) in mind.

The non-ambulant disabled should always be thought of first as they have no other option.

Then single sex in single sex environments with door gaps for ventilation, hygiene, supervision and prevention of misuse. This includes an ambulant toilet. Women need twice as many conveniences as men.

Then a unisex if enough space. But this, with the disabled does need to be monitored more carefully because of misuse.

The best provision would also include a disabled toilet for non ambulant people within the single sex environment. That would be truly inclusive.

The disabled toilet has been renamed ‘accessible’ for a while now. Because anyone can use it. The shelf and sink help people changing equipment like stoma bags. It helps people with opposite sex carers. It gives quick access and extra dignity for ibs and crohns sufferers who don’t want sounds heard.

According to many documents from Stonewall and various trans organisations, there is a large proportion of people who say they are trans and disabled. There may be crossover of needs that they require the accessible.

Bear in mind much council run public toilet provision has been closed because it costs too much to run and that’s usually due to misuse (sex,drugs,vandalism). There is also no duty on councils to provide toilets.

We need toilets to be clean, safe and available. Sanitation is fundamental to society. It about health and safety.

murasaki · 13/02/2026 15:42

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 15:39

Regarding Denmark and the claim that Scandinavia has mixed sex facilities as standard and that it is no issue because everyone is "so relaxed about their body".

"Back in 2014, the EU’s Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA) had already published a landmark survey on violence against women based on a sample across 28 EU Member States. It revealed that Danish women reported the highest levels of physical, sexual and psychological violence in the EU, as well as the greatest prevalence of sexual harassment. According to the survey, an astounding 52% of Danish women reported having experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15.

https://ereb.eu/story/how-sexual-violence-in-denmark-exposes-the-myth-of-its-gender-equality/

So what they mean is that some Scandi men are 'relaxed' about their freedom to assault women's bodies. Nice.

ditalini · 13/02/2026 15:45

In my former workplace, the single occupancy toilet that opened out onto the main corridor was widely known as the poo toilet because that was what it was mostly used for - people who were shy about the splash used it for pooing.

So I reckon if I saw a flawlessly passing trans person, like what they all are obv, coming out of a gender neutral toilet I'd assume they'd been having a quiet poo and hope they'd cleaned up after themselves.

Londonmummy66 · 13/02/2026 15:46

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2026 14:47

ChatGPT says:

A High Court judge has ruled that the Good Law Project (GLP) does not have the legal “standing” to bring its latest challenge in its own name.

The case concerns guidance issued by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) about single-sex spaces, following a recent Supreme Court ruling. GLP sought to challenge that guidance through judicial review, arguing it was legally flawed and potentially discriminatory.

However, in a decision handed down by the High Court of England and Wales, Mr Justice Swift ruled that GLP itself does not have a sufficient legal interest in the matter to act as a claimant. In judicial review cases, claimants must show they are directly affected by the decision they are challenging. The court found that, as an organisation, GLP was not personally or directly impacted by the EHRC’s guidance.

Importantly, the judge did not dismiss the entire case. The individual claimants — who argue they are personally affected by the guidance — were granted permission to continue their challenge. The ruling therefore focuses on who is entitled to bring the case, not on whether the EHRC’s guidance is lawful.
“Standing” is a procedural requirement designed to ensure courts hear cases brought by those genuinely affected, rather than by groups with only a general interest in a policy. While courts sometimes allow public interest organisations to participate, that is not automatic.

In short, the High Court has said GLP cannot act as a claimant in its own right, but the legal challenge itself will proceed through the individual claimants. The substance of the dispute over the EHRC guidance has yet to be decided.

I know that ChatGPT is totally captured but it is scary just how biased its inaccuracies can be.............

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:49

MalagaNights · 13/02/2026 15:38

Yes there would have to be both:

Toilets for biological women.
And
Toilets for anyone who feels like a women.

And men's toilets.

It would be bloody ridiculous.

I wish the judge could just say:
There are 2 sexs, facilties for each, use the one in line with your sex.

No one gives a toss about your gender identity or how you feel about it.

But because the concept of gender reassignment has been written into law and given validity we're in the most ridiculous mess.

all of this for a few MEN with unproven & unfounded ladyfeels.

What a few weeks it been. With Esptein, the Child Rape Gangs, Govt voting against an inquirey, all the bloody apedos getting a tiny slap on the writst fromjsuges ... etc etc etc

If any women is in doubt as to her statues in this land WISE UP.

Even most of the female MP's are all about raising the penis people and keeping women & girl's in their place - as long as the men approve of that place of course.

I'm furiosu, I'm so sick of it. Women and girls are not begging for scraps. British society has to fundamentally change but this will mean proper action, not "awe its so hard we must think about the men all the BLOODY TIME".

Fuck me I need a drink - And I'm going out tonight & driving so I can't even do that.

ARRGH!

Easytoconfuse · 13/02/2026 15:50

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/02/2026 15:30

Here we have an entire thread of women who are VERY knowlegable & informed on this subject, who follow the legal cases etc, who are bloody informed & clever and still I see much confusion & very little certainty as to what the position re womens spaces vis SC judgement actaully is.

what is going on?

You may see that. I see a group of women with those characteristics (with the exception of me, who's blundering along and working it out) who are sharing their knowledge and unpicking the judgement while we work out what it means.

Compare and contrast that with the Reddit strands and you may indeed find yourself wondering what's going on.

theilltemperedamateur · 13/02/2026 15:51

The employers' code of practice needs rewriting now.

And how does this affect Girl Guides? A boy is potentially not treated less favourably by GG accepting trans 'girls', because he could join the Scouts?

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2026 15:52

Londonmummy66 · 13/02/2026 15:46

I know that ChatGPT is totally captured but it is scary just how biased its inaccuracies can be.............

You should see it's technical advice ...

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2026 15:55

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 15:46

This is quite astonishing

https://x.com/i/status/2022324110353653964

The GLP don't like what they've been told in court so have decided to redefine ALL the words in the dictionary not just 'sex', 'woman' and 'no'.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 15:58

And from a study into voyeurism and illicit use of cameras to take images of women - in Sweden:

"Voyeurism: The third type of reported act is voyeurism. This involves suspects who take pictures in order to watch acquaintances and people who they do not know undressed without the victim’s knowledge. The photographs are often taken in lavatories or in dressing rooms using hidden spy cameras. The pictures are taken for the perpetrator’s private use and they seldom circulate the pictures. The reported offences are usually included in larger investigations and sometimes involve various types of sexual offences against children"

https://bra.se/download/18.3808406a192bd2f0b723ee7/1730281379354/2019_7_Invasive_photography.pdf#:~:text=The%20acts%20which%20recur%20in,reported%20act%20is%20voyeurism.%20This

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2026 15:59

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2026 15:55

The GLP don't like what they've been told in court so have decided to redefine ALL the words in the dictionary not just 'sex', 'woman' and 'no'.

But at least it (seems to) accepts that it's now a legislative issue, not a judicial one.

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