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GLP v EHRC judgement is coming tomorrow

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DownhillTeaTray · 12/02/2026 14:44

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

Jolyon Maugham KC (@goodlawproject.org)

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

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DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 12:59

GLP are going to appeal:

If you are trans, but not out, you must nevertheless stop using the toilets of your lived gender at work, the High Court has decided.

Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans. To this possibility, the judge says that “a propensity for gossip is a feature of every workplace” and “up to a point, being the subject of comment by others is burden that anyone can expect to bear from time to time, and ought not to be a foundation for legal redress” (paragraph 73).

It doesn’t matter if you have lived as a woman or a man the entirety of your adult life and even your close friends don’t know. It doesn’t matter how you present, what stage you are at in your transition, or what medical treatments you have undertaken. It doesn’t matter that we live in a society that is increasingly transphobic and, increasingly, violently so. It doesn’t matter that, particularly in such a society, trans people might feel that their privacy is a matter of profound importance and no one’s business but their own. It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence that allowing you to use the toilets you have always used will cause harm. It doesn’t matter if forcibly outing you as trans will put you at risk of harm.

... and on, and on, about how howwible judges and women are 🙄

https://goodlawproject.org/trans-lives-are-real-and-they-matter-the-courts-must-recognise-that/

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OvaHere · 13/02/2026 13:00

DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 12:59

GLP are going to appeal:

If you are trans, but not out, you must nevertheless stop using the toilets of your lived gender at work, the High Court has decided.

Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans. To this possibility, the judge says that “a propensity for gossip is a feature of every workplace” and “up to a point, being the subject of comment by others is burden that anyone can expect to bear from time to time, and ought not to be a foundation for legal redress” (paragraph 73).

It doesn’t matter if you have lived as a woman or a man the entirety of your adult life and even your close friends don’t know. It doesn’t matter how you present, what stage you are at in your transition, or what medical treatments you have undertaken. It doesn’t matter that we live in a society that is increasingly transphobic and, increasingly, violently so. It doesn’t matter that, particularly in such a society, trans people might feel that their privacy is a matter of profound importance and no one’s business but their own. It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence that allowing you to use the toilets you have always used will cause harm. It doesn’t matter if forcibly outing you as trans will put you at risk of harm.

... and on, and on, about how howwible judges and women are 🙄

https://goodlawproject.org/trans-lives-are-real-and-they-matter-the-courts-must-recognise-that/

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Which is why he is spinning it. He needs another round of crowd funding.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 13:01

I feel my privacy and dignity away from men is “a matter of profound importance”.

DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 13:02

The grift goes on...

But that does not mean that the law cannot help at all. And if we need to go to the Court of Justice in Luxembourg or the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg to get justice, we will.

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 13:02

The issue of some men but not other men though would encounter the usual highly complex issues of at what point does a man move into the group of special men provided with different treatment. And then you get into stages of transition, passing, who has to check and certify this, how you prevent it being abused, and yada yada yada. I'd think it would be easy for any man to take to court and claim he should have the right those special men do.

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 13:02

Presumably they GLP will have to show they have grounds for an appeal?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 13:02

DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 12:59

GLP are going to appeal:

If you are trans, but not out, you must nevertheless stop using the toilets of your lived gender at work, the High Court has decided.

Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans. To this possibility, the judge says that “a propensity for gossip is a feature of every workplace” and “up to a point, being the subject of comment by others is burden that anyone can expect to bear from time to time, and ought not to be a foundation for legal redress” (paragraph 73).

It doesn’t matter if you have lived as a woman or a man the entirety of your adult life and even your close friends don’t know. It doesn’t matter how you present, what stage you are at in your transition, or what medical treatments you have undertaken. It doesn’t matter that we live in a society that is increasingly transphobic and, increasingly, violently so. It doesn’t matter that, particularly in such a society, trans people might feel that their privacy is a matter of profound importance and no one’s business but their own. It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence that allowing you to use the toilets you have always used will cause harm. It doesn’t matter if forcibly outing you as trans will put you at risk of harm.

... and on, and on, about how howwible judges and women are 🙄

https://goodlawproject.org/trans-lives-are-real-and-they-matter-the-courts-must-recognise-that/

Edited

They are just utterly paranoid. As if anyone would notice that someone is using a gender neutral toilet and not the single sex loos.

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2026 13:03

It doesn’t matter if you have lived as a woman or a man the entirety of your adult life and even your close friends don’t know.

Proof positive that the Fox Killer and his merry men folx live in a fantasy world.

"Even your close friends don't know"? Get real.

MarieDeGournay · 13/02/2026 13:03

Eventually, by page 13, I think I can say 'good news!' - it was a bit unclear for a while, wasn't it?

I wish the judge had NOT said
I consider there would, in principle, be scope for a strong argument that a rule or practice that permitted trans women to use the “female” lavatory but required other biological men to use the male lavatory would comprise different but not less favourable treatment on grounds of sex. However, the circumstances of the case would be decisive. (For the purposes of the EA 2010 the lavatory would be mixed-sex, but for the purposes of the Claimants’ submission in this case it would still be labelled “women”.)”

because it looks like the words 'there would' 'in principle' 'scope' 'strong argument' are being ignored by the TRAs and they are only seeing the words 'a rule or practice that permitted trans women to use the “female” lavatory'.

It was unhelpful to even suggest it, because of the background of cynically manufactured confusion, but the judge probably didn't realise how it would be seized-upon and misused.

The batting away of the little-boys-being-brought-in-to-the-women's -by-mum-makes-it-mixed-sex nonsense was aceSmile

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 13:04

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 13:02

Presumably they GLP will have to show they have grounds for an appeal?

Yes. And this is where it will fall down.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 13:04

DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 13:02

The grift goes on...

But that does not mean that the law cannot help at all. And if we need to go to the Court of Justice in Luxembourg or the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg to get justice, we will.

Where the issue will STILL be that women have rights too, Jules .

MalagaNights · 13/02/2026 13:04

Another2Cats · 13/02/2026 12:47

OK, so why the GLP lost and a few other points.

GLP argued that it was unlawful because it only addressed single-sex facilities and not not more general issues surrounding the PC of gender reassignment. The judge rejected this and said:

[70] A requirement to state the law accurately is not the same as a requirement to give a comprehensive statement – to include everything that could possibly be said.

GLP also argued that the Update failed to mention other things that it should have done – that there were omissions and so the Update lacked “balance”. Again, the judge rejected this at paras [86]-[89]

GLP also argued that procedurally the EHRC had got things wrong. Again the judge rejected this at [90]-[95]

Finally, the GLP argued that the Update was in breach of the Human Rights Act.

The judge rejected this and, after giving a detailed explanation of why, said:

[99] … On this analysis neither the EA 2010 nor the 1992 Workplace Regulations gives rise to any necessary interference with any aspect of the Claimants’ article 8 rights.
[100] However, even if that analysis is wrong, the Claimants’ case still fails. Even if there is a relevant prohibition on provision by a service provider or an employer of a trans-inclusive lavatory, and a consequent interference with article 8 rights, that interference would be capable of being justified taking into account the rights and freedoms of others. Justification would depend on the facts of any particular situation. Nevertheless, the fact that justification is possible and on many scenarios highly likely to be present, is sufficient to dispose of this ground of challenge.
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However, the overall judgment was a bit of a mixed bag (or curate's egg if you like).

These are just some points that stood out to me:

GLP made the argument (as best I can understand it) that although the 1992 Workplace Regs required there to be separate toilets and changing rooms for men and women, the Regs did not require an employer to ensure each was only used by the appropriate sex.

ie that there must be separate rooms but an employer could just allow anyone to use both rooms.

The judge utterly rejected this argument.

[36] I do not accept this submission. First, it places form over substance, disregarding the obvious purpose of regulations 20 – 21 and 24. The obvious albeit unspoken premise of regulation 20 is the provision of private space for each sex for reasons of conventional decency …

[37] Second, by reference to regulation 20, the Claimants’ submission cannot stand with the proviso in regulation 20(1)(c) that separate rooms containing conveniences for men and women need not be provided “… where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from the inside”. It is clear from this that the objective of regulation 20 is that men and women should use conveniences in separate rooms, not together in the same room.

[38] Third, the Claimants’ further contentions in support of their construction of regulation 20 are not convincing. The Claimants contended that a female lavatory does not cease to be single-sex if, for example, (a) it is cleaned by a man, or (b) a mother brings her young son to use the lavatory, or (c) a man uses the lavatory in an emergency. Thus they submitted it would be just the same were an employer to allow trans women to use a female lavatory. The Claimants refer to this approach as a “trans-inclusive lavatory” and I will refer to it in the same way in this judgment. However, the examples the Claimants rely on do not support their conclusion. Who cleans a female lavatory from time to time, is a matter entirely apart from whether that lavatory remains single-sex. The “emergency” example carries no weight precisely because it is an emergency – an event that is unplanned and driven by extreme circumstances. The example of the mother taking her young son to use the female lavatory is a bad example. That (and the corresponding practice for fathers and young daughters) is a common practice but is no more than a facet of ordinary parental responsibilities. No one could reasonably or seriously contend that when a mother takes her young son to use a single-sex female lavatory the lavatory ceases to be single-sex. Further, none of the examples above would be materially the same as the one of the employer who decided that the lavatories provided to meet the obligation under regulation 20 should be trans-inclusive. Rather, that employer has adopted a policy or practice to allow some biological males to use the female lavatory. An employer would not comply with the obligation under regulation 20 (to make sufficient provision in separate rooms containing lavatories provided for men and women, respectively) if he permitted the room for women to be used by some men and vice versa. That would go against the purpose of the regulation
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The judge also went on to say that the logic of their other argument that an employer would need to “police” the toilets was “… divorced from reality and from any sensible model of human behaviour.” [40]

However, the judge did go on to effectively say that employers must provide a separate toilet for trans identifying people:

[42] … where an employer provides lavatories as required by regulation 20 the consequence will not be that a transsexual person is required to use the lavatory that corresponds to biological sex. Rather, and in addition to complying with the requirement under the 1992 Workplace Regulations for “sufficient” and “suitable” lavatories the employer must also ensure that the lavatory provision he makes is not discriminatory on the ground of gender reassignment.
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The judge then used the same argument that the Supreme Court did in FWS to say that the GRA does not apply to the Workplace Regs.

GLP said that, for a man with a GRC, the correct comparator changed from being a man to being a woman. The judge said at [50] “I do not attach any weight to this submission”

He went on to mention the earlier case of Croft v Royal Mail and said at the end of [50]

“Taking these matters together, I do not consider that either Pill LJ’s reasoning or the notion that the relevant comparator for a claim of gender reassignment discrimination will change, can survive the reasoning in For Women Scotland.”
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He then considered if trans-identifying men were allowed to use the women’s toilet then would all men be allowed to use it.

He went through three relevant cases (incidentally, ones which my DH also used in his case against the WI – see my previous thread about that) about different treatment and whether that amounted to less favourable or not.

However, he came to the conclusion at [61] that allowing trans-identifying men access to the women’s toilet but excluding other men may be okay. He said:

[61] “Whether different treatment is also less favourable treatment is, therefore, a qualitative question … I consider there would, in principle, be scope for a strong argument that a rule or practice that permitted trans women to use the “female” lavatory but required other biological men to use the male lavatory would comprise different but not less favourable treatment on grounds of sex. However, the circumstances of the case would be decisive. (For the purposes of the EA 2010 the lavatory would be mixed-sex, but for the purposes of the Claimants’ submission in this case it would still be labelled “women”.)”

So, it’s not necessarily direct discrimination for a man, the judge says, but it still leaves open the possibility of women making an indirect discrimination claim for there being no single sex toilets for women

The judge went on to clarify this point:

[77] While I am less certain than the Interim Update that a man prevented from using the Claimants’ trans-inclusive female lavatory would be likely to establish the less favourable treatment necessary to make good a claim of direct sex discrimination, I do not consider that the way the point is put in the Update is necessarily wrong. Rather, it is a point that may turn on the facts of a situation.
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Just a few things I noticed in the judgment.

Thanks for this.

So is the judgement saying there could be a case for trans women to use women's facilities without it necessarily discriminating against other men?
But unless there were also single sex women's facilities this would be indirect discrimination against women?

So you could have a situation where there are:
Single sex men's toilets
Single sex women's toilets
Mixed sex toilets
And women's toilets for women and transwomen??

Good grief.

Remember when they told us how silly we were to go on about toilets all the time?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 13:04

MarieDeGournay · 13/02/2026 13:03

Eventually, by page 13, I think I can say 'good news!' - it was a bit unclear for a while, wasn't it?

I wish the judge had NOT said
I consider there would, in principle, be scope for a strong argument that a rule or practice that permitted trans women to use the “female” lavatory but required other biological men to use the male lavatory would comprise different but not less favourable treatment on grounds of sex. However, the circumstances of the case would be decisive. (For the purposes of the EA 2010 the lavatory would be mixed-sex, but for the purposes of the Claimants’ submission in this case it would still be labelled “women”.)”

because it looks like the words 'there would' 'in principle' 'scope' 'strong argument' are being ignored by the TRAs and they are only seeing the words 'a rule or practice that permitted trans women to use the “female” lavatory'.

It was unhelpful to even suggest it, because of the background of cynically manufactured confusion, but the judge probably didn't realise how it would be seized-upon and misused.

The batting away of the little-boys-being-brought-in-to-the-women's -by-mum-makes-it-mixed-sex nonsense was aceSmile

Yes. This bit was not clear enough IMHO

MalagaNights · 13/02/2026 13:06

I liked this part of the judgement. (My bold) where the judge says employees would just be expected to follow the rules. So no need for toilet police.

“An employer who provides the lavatories required in the rooms required, and who in good faith adopted and applied a policy that the female lavatories were available only to biological women and the male ones only available to biological men, would do what is required by the Regulations. The employees concerned would know what was expected of them.”

MarieDeGournay · 13/02/2026 13:07

"Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans."

If they were sensible people, they would work out that either
[a] you had become disabled or
[b] you are still able-bodied, and suddenly and strangely have stopped respecting disabled people's spaces.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 13:07

The thing about EHRC being sent back to rewrite the guidance appears to just be a bold faced lie. What are they going to say when it doesn’t happen? Ah well, lads they aren’t going to rewrite them, onwards to Strasbourg!

solerolover · 13/02/2026 13:07

"But that does not mean that the law cannot help at all. And if we need to go to the Court of Justice in Luxembourg or the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg to get justice, we will."

Pfft...okay Jolyon Mandela!😒

OvaHere · 13/02/2026 13:11

I like to imagine after a few more years of wrangling and bringing spurious appeals, judgments will start coming back as one sheet of paper with just the word NO in a large, bold font.

crascenda · 13/02/2026 13:13

In the unlikely event that appeal after appeal say up to the SC fail, (If they are given leave to do any of this!), Strasbourg could reject it at first glance anyway.

I cannot see any grounds for an appeal on today's judgment, and I doubt anyone can with the exception of the fox and his hounds.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 13/02/2026 13:13

DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 12:59

GLP are going to appeal:

If you are trans, but not out, you must nevertheless stop using the toilets of your lived gender at work, the High Court has decided.

Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans. To this possibility, the judge says that “a propensity for gossip is a feature of every workplace” and “up to a point, being the subject of comment by others is burden that anyone can expect to bear from time to time, and ought not to be a foundation for legal redress” (paragraph 73).

It doesn’t matter if you have lived as a woman or a man the entirety of your adult life and even your close friends don’t know. It doesn’t matter how you present, what stage you are at in your transition, or what medical treatments you have undertaken. It doesn’t matter that we live in a society that is increasingly transphobic and, increasingly, violently so. It doesn’t matter that, particularly in such a society, trans people might feel that their privacy is a matter of profound importance and no one’s business but their own. It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence that allowing you to use the toilets you have always used will cause harm. It doesn’t matter if forcibly outing you as trans will put you at risk of harm.

... and on, and on, about how howwible judges and women are 🙄

https://goodlawproject.org/trans-lives-are-real-and-they-matter-the-courts-must-recognise-that/

Edited

This is the closing paragraph

But that does not mean that the law cannot help at all. And if we need to go to the Court of Justice in Luxembourg or the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg to get justice, we will.

Someone needs to tell the Fox Botherer that we left the EU six years ago so the UK is no longer subject to the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) to give the full title.

lcakethereforeIam · 13/02/2026 13:13

OvaHere · 13/02/2026 13:11

I like to imagine after a few more years of wrangling and bringing spurious appeals, judgments will start coming back as one sheet of paper with just the word NO in a large, bold font.

Knowing the GLP they would literally spin it so it read ON 😁

PinkHairbrushClub · 13/02/2026 13:14

I wonder if the individuals on Reddit so willing to ignore the reality of the direction of travel will ever come to accept it. Now that there is almost no ambiguity about the meaning of 'single-sex' surely it's only a matter of time before a male in a female space is prosecuted under voyeurism or harassment criminal law. Once there are tangible consequences of breaching boundaries that may focus them.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 13:14

GrooveArmada · 13/02/2026 12:43

I honestly think Labour need to leave, the rot is right up there as can be seen from the latest news re schools and pronouns. Phillipson should have a good old look in the mirror.

They will be leaving and sooner than 2029. Do you really think the first Reform update to KCSIE will have "allow kids to choose pronouns" in it?

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 13/02/2026 13:14

DownhillTeaTray · 13/02/2026 12:59

GLP are going to appeal:

If you are trans, but not out, you must nevertheless stop using the toilets of your lived gender at work, the High Court has decided.

Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans. To this possibility, the judge says that “a propensity for gossip is a feature of every workplace” and “up to a point, being the subject of comment by others is burden that anyone can expect to bear from time to time, and ought not to be a foundation for legal redress” (paragraph 73).

It doesn’t matter if you have lived as a woman or a man the entirety of your adult life and even your close friends don’t know. It doesn’t matter how you present, what stage you are at in your transition, or what medical treatments you have undertaken. It doesn’t matter that we live in a society that is increasingly transphobic and, increasingly, violently so. It doesn’t matter that, particularly in such a society, trans people might feel that their privacy is a matter of profound importance and no one’s business but their own. It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence that allowing you to use the toilets you have always used will cause harm. It doesn’t matter if forcibly outing you as trans will put you at risk of harm.

... and on, and on, about how howwible judges and women are 🙄

https://goodlawproject.org/trans-lives-are-real-and-they-matter-the-courts-must-recognise-that/

Edited

How horrible women are?

Where does it say that?

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2026 13:19

They have to have grounds to appeal.

What are they?

The appeal might be refused.

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