Olivia Colman: “I’ve always described myself to my husband as a gay man.” 🙄

[NaysayerOrMeanie]

Olivia Colman is currently on the press tour for her new film Jimpa and has come out with some absolute corkers in an interview with them "magazine" including:

"Throughout my whole life, I’ve had arguments with people where I've always felt sort of nonbinary. Don’t make that a big sort of title! But I’ve never felt massively feminine in my being female. I’ve always described myself to my husband as a gay man. And he goes, “Yeah, I get that.”"

Which I can only assume means he likes it when she pegs him.

And a dig at some undefined group of naysayers and haters and meanies:

"Most of the actors were from, particularly in the Dutch side of things, from the queer community there; I’ve never been part of a more welcoming group of people. For all those naysayers or haters or meanies, if [only] they could spend the time with the most welcoming, kind bunch of people. I kind of want everyone to just come and say hi and actually feel total love."

Jimpa stars Olivia Colman as Hannah, mother to the non-binary Frances (played by they/them, non-binary, queer, transgender daughter of the film's director, Aud Mason-Hyde) who go to Amsterdam to visit Hannah's gay HIV positive father (John Lithgow, currently simultaneously scorned by the queers for daring to be in the new Harry Potter series, any by the meanies for talking shit about JKR). I'm sure it will be a hoot.

Congratulations Olivia on your brave coming out as a queer, non-binary, gay man, spicy-straight woman. You're so late to the party all the cool kids will find your identity embarrassing now.

She has three children but doesn’t feel like a woman? If a baby x3 being pushed out of your vagina don’t make you feel like a woman I don’t know what would.

Put it this way...

Suppose one day I feel <<particular feeling>> or want to do <<particular action>>. I then decide that this means I am, or identify as <<ethnicity stereotypically associated with that feeling or action>>.

Nobody would fall for this, say I was just articulating my feeling or discovering my identity. They'd tell me I was being racist, ignorant and actually rather stupid. They'd point out it was only a stereotype, that there are plenty of words I can use to explain it without reinforcing the racist, regressive idea that <<ethnicity>> does <<thing>>. And they'd be right.

But when it's women...

That is because sex exists and we all have a sex. We are all living in the same symbolic soup as it relates to 'male' and 'female'.

You cannot dicatae how people articulate their feelings.

No we can't dictate how other people articulate their feelings.

We can however say 'stop being a sexist homophobic regressive twat and stop reinforcing the bullshit of ridiculous gender stereotypes' if they articulate them in a regressive sexist and homophobic way.

'Actually it’s not a struggle for me to think she didn’t feel very womanly in a business where the beauty standard is so high and represents an ideal tha she doesn’t fit'

She’s a woman. Not feeling “womanly” or not feeling that she’s “feminine” is a valid feeling, of course she can’t help how she feels but to break it down, as she is an adult human female she’s as womanly as any women. The feelings she’s talking about are to do with not matching various sexist stereotypes and expectations. And that’s a good thing for women and girls to see and appreciate- a successful women standing up there with whatever hairstyle she likes and whatever other non-stereotypical cultural expressions she likes and showing us that we don’t have to follow stereotypes and women should be free to look and dress how they like and have the interests they like.

And there are women who do that, and OC could be one of them. She could be proud of being who she is, a straight, slightly GNC women. Instead she has to jump on the bandwagon of “I’m not a proper woman because I’m not a Barbie doll”. An appalling message to give out to women and especially the kind of younger women and girls getting sucked into gender ideology, who might be interested in seeing this film.

What’s wrong with “I’m proud of being a woman who doesn’t bow to sexist pressure to have long hair and lip fillers [or whatever] and I think girls should feel free to be themselves.”? She could say that without treading on anyone’s toes.

It's media spin to highlight a (godawful sounding) new film she is in.

Otherwise, what a remarkable timing that she's voiced those thoughts now.

It's very base level, marketing 101.

Every new film is accompanied by some 'gossip' such as marital break up etc to grab a few headlines for the media to drop in at the end, the new film etc.

It's the equivilent to the old TV interviews when they would bring up the new book etc.

This is a good example of why most actors should just stick to acting.

I love Olivia Colman as an actor. I do not need to know about her sex life (assume all this jargon is a euphemism for being spicy straight).

And she has a pretty solid record for every political cause she endorses being terrible.

The average IQ of British actors has not improved since the 1970s when half of them thought Gerry Healy was the messiah. Sometimes I think it's declined.

No, you’re not articulating things in a sexist way because sex exists, but because you’ve bought into sexist concepts that some feelings etc are only appropriate for one sex, not the other.

“I feel a way I don’t believe women are typically supposed or allowed to feel therefore I’m not really a woman” is sexist claptrap, because it reinforces those sexist stereotypes that say women have to behave or feel a certain way in order to be acceptable in society, rather than challenging them by saying “women can feel like this too”.

And it’s grossly homophobic for heterosexual people to appropriate the experiences/“identities” of homosexual people, as nailed by Fancycrab in her post at 10.43.

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We all have a sex, but there is no right or wrong way to be that sex, and no way to roleplay that sex or feel that sex. For many women, that sex is the only commonality because their personalities are so different. But the sex is what they have in common with all other women, living or dead, and no other man. It's not a feeling or a performance because your feelings and performance are totally irrelevant. It stays the same whatever you do. You don't even have to be alive to have a sex. However, that sex does create a cohesive group with specific sex based rights and needs. Some women may be fortunate enough never to call on those rights but we all need them for our protection and we have no right to take them away from women who need them.

As for dictating how people articulate their feelings... if someone said they were feeling <<whatever>> today and that meant they were feeling black or Jewish, do you have anything to say about that? Are they being racist and rather stupid?

Is anyone else thinking WTF has happened to society, where this (in my eyes) very normal, very stereotypical woman is being described as not fitting female stereotypes? Shes not a skin head or something otherwise a bit remarkable looking, she just isn't barbie.

How far have we drifted from the 80s/90s where loads of women had short hair and wore dungarees or whatever and didn't give a fuck? That used to be normal, now it would be seen as 'expressing their non binary side'.

I really do despair. The barbie stereotype makes us all NB as no woman can ever hope to live up to it.

We used to have to contend with society telling us we were too fat. Now it's telling women that they aren't even women if they don't look like porn dolls.

No doubt someone will be along in a minute to tell me I don't understand because Im an old meanie and I should 'beee kind' . To which I say 'No, go fuck yourself'.

Very basis level marketing 101.

Who is the target market of Olivia Colman?

I'm guessing it's not 40-60 year old women then?

Why can't anything be for 40-60 year old women rather than as secondary to another group?

Why do we have to pander to every other fucker? Don't we have enough purchase power?

'Is anyone else thinking WTF has happened to society, where this (in my eyes) very normal, very stereotypical woman is being described as not fitting female stereotypes? Shes not a skin head or something otherwise a bit remarkable looking, she just isn't barbie'

Completely agree. I don't think she's GNC in the slightest. I think she presents in a very feminine way - wears make up, feminine clothing, has talked about having Botox in the past so is clearly interested in her appearance. She wears her hair very short sometimes. No judgement about any of that btw

She also presents with a v feminine persona - smiley, giggly, warm, indulgent. To continue the stereotypes, she's married to a man and has 3 children. And none of the above matters anyway because she's of the female sex so obviously a woman! That's all that's required. So I have no idea what she's on about with this 'non binary' drivel.

Victoria Smith is on the money (again) - “Women who know they’re not feminine ladybrains have to choose between pointing out the sexism of conflating femaleness and femininity (and be denounced as terfs), or declare themselves not-women (and look like narcissistic idiots).”

It smacks of wanting to be young, hip and with it. Down with the kids and all that, particularly as most female actors know they have an expiry date in a way that male actors generally don’t.

It was the same when her from Dinnerladies suddenly announced that she was non-binary a few years back. She might as well have put out a press statement that said “My star is fading! Notice me! PLEASE!”

It’s a shame, I’ve always really liked her as an actor. I’m a big peep show fan and have loved her since then. What other idiotic things has she said?

They always remind me of the ridiculous coffee orders.

“A trenta vanilla sweet cream cold brew with two pumps of vanilla, three pumps of caramel syrup, two pumps of cinnamon dolce syrup, two pumps of hazelnut, two pumps of toffee nut syrup, two pumps of mocha, two pumps of white mocha, two pumps of pumpkin sauce, three pumps of maple pecan syrup, and five shots of espresso.”

As PP have said, OC is the usual overprivileged luvvie who doesn’t have a clue what real life is like for most people.

Young Aud was Audrey.

It’s a shame many actors have somehow got hold of the notion that just because they sometimes pretend to be people with real moral probity that they are then somehow endowed with the right to pontificate and claim a moral superiority over the rest of humanity, especially when it comes to clutching the frail
oppressed-by-choice to their heaving bosoms.

All we actually ask of actors is that they remember their lines, learn to cry on cue and avoid tripping over the scenery.

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It reminds me of this scene...

When we have feelings we do not automatically pass them by the censor for approval, do we? We just feel and sense things and then attach to those feelings certain words.

Sex exists ( and the differentiation between the sexes) and so there will always be images and symbols that are asscociated with males and females, 'masculinity' and' femininity' - because of these obvious differences between the sexes at the level of biology and biological function; and whether we like it or not biology, chromosomes and sex hormones in combination do have an impact on certain traits, tendencies and behaviours to a greater or lesser extent.

Yes, we all know Olivia Coleman isn't really a gay man, and she also knows she is not a gay man. She is a woman; a female person who is in a heterosexual relationship with a man. But you cannot arbitrate people's feelings and there is no real need to.

Do you recall that gay dating show that was on fairly recently....lots of gay men in a massaria in Puglia trying to cop off with each other? There was a woman in there, who clearly did think she actually was a gay man; although it was obvious to all she was female...and I imagine that by the end of that experience she knew it herself.

That the thing with trans ideology.....it suggests to people that their feelings are as corporeal and real as the body, and in fact that their feelings supercede and over-ride the body; whereas we all know they really don't.

But there's no great harm in having an inner sense or momentary feeling of being a gay man, if you know that you really aren't. It is just a feeling.

I’ve never felt massively feminine in my being female

So? Being female doesn’t necessitate being 100% feminine 🙄 And how are you measuring your femininity anyway, Olivia? Are you perchance basing it on silly gender stereotypes? I’d guess so. The majority of us women moved on from those decades ago.

Saying you’re NB doesn’t make you more interesting. It makes you look in thrall to gender stereotypes and quite old-fashioned and conservative. That’s without even mentioning the homophobic bit.

You really don't get the difference between the reality of sex and made up shit do you?

Rewilding Jude makes my blood boil. Ruined her body with male hormones....acne, balding, god knows what else

But insists on pretending she is male because she uses a load of power tools and has stopped crocheting.

Me too