is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

Another thing I've started to wonder is whether, in the case of the NHS and the prison service, there's also an element of seeing a (bad) solution to a problem in their enthusiasm for gender ideology.

They're both pressed for staff and space and overwhelmed with clients (in the case of the prison service, mostly male).

Anything that disrupts and loosens the consensus that there should be single-sex provision, same-sex staffing etc steers in the direction of being able to treat all clients, all staff and all spaces as interchangeable components to be deployed purely according to availability and convenience.

YY @Heggettypeg

What is it about all the male paedophiles, rapists, sex offenders, murderers claiming to be women that generates so much excitement amongst politicians, civil servants, the prison services etc? The Scottish govt are spending hundreds of thousands of ££ on ensuring that predatory males are able to fulfil their fantasies of sharing showers, cells etc with women.

Maybe it's time to ask whether they're reliving their own personal fantasies by misusing public funds in this way? Just as the Epstein revelations are raising questions about so many men being complicit in enabling the rape and sexual abuse of young women, it's time to start challenging those pushing this stuff about what's in it for them?

The mental health / suicide & treatment of pregnant women in prisons is appalling and inadequately funded. What is it about men demanding to transgress women's privacy & safety boundaries that excites so many in power to the extent that they throwing endless £££ & resources at these men?

Time for some awkward questions to be asked.

The 'excites' part of it, yes, absolutely, is the elephant thundering around.

We are still not really allowed to say that the real core driving force behind men with gender identities wanting into women's spaces is sexual satisfaction in various forms. Whether women should have to be a prop in a man's personal sexual experience as price of access to a public space, service or resource has never yet been raised in a court case, because it's not considered nice to mention this. While the evidence is stark and absolutely bloody everywhere.

I read a post on Reddit earlier, where one of those delightful men read about Karen Titchener, new Patient Safety Commissioner for NHS Scotland, and her call for women to have fully single sex wards, especially on mental health wards, because they are vulnerable. His comment? “Irony is dead and they’re feasting on her corpse”, because these men can’t comprehend that there are ever reasons that women and girls would be considered vulnerable or need protection, and only “trans people” are supposed to be talked about like that. Ignorant fools.

And yes, I agree. Absolutely the pachyderm here.

I usually avoid links to The Sun, but they've collated cases of violent men who have been or who have tried to gain access to the women's prison estate There are a couple here that I was unaware of. [ETA Apologies if someone has already posted this.]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15896608/sinister-male-trans-criminals-scotland-female-jails/

A roll call of sicko's. 🤮

I know not everyone likes the Sun but it does have a fairly large reach.

Yes, I think that this might have an impact on voter knowledge prior to the election.

I think it's still the highest selling newspaper in the UK, and has been for years, so the article will spread sunlight far and wide. 😁

Depending on whether it's covered in the main edition as well as the Scottish Sun.

Good point.

To be honest, so long as it does the trick in Scotland, that'll do me.

And its coverage of the Sandie Peggie tribunal was better than many papers.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/16ad3afb-2ece-4c28-935e-a6eb3e1079f6?shareToken=ce1a3a14af18e1f821a40c317409af27

The judge said that Johnstone’s offences were “very serious” and “basically a disgrace”. Though true, this seems to understate them somewhat. But it is a quote without context.

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There can't be a clash, because women have no rights to be clashed on.

💯 agree this seems to be the underpinnings of all of this

Absolutely this.

Fetishistic transvestites are a clear, known, evidenced phenomenon.

But we are supposed to pretend they don't exist, despite being described clearly in the ICD in the section on 'gender incongruence'.

Re the Sun article: Good to see the faces and stories of the men the Scottish Government is so intent on cosseting.

MN have deleted many a post for pointing this out despite it being in the ICD or it being well established that paraphilias cluster.

Agreed that used to be the case but recently there seems to be a greater acceptance of the need to speak openly and freely.

Until the fetishistic / porn roots of so many demands made by transactivists are exposed - open access to girls and women undressing, women with a penis etc - many will continue to believe the "most vulnerable ever" narrative.

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief. And they're right. This mentally vulnerable cohort have been gaslit by the older porn soaked powerful adults / groups. They are the vulnerable victims of this ideology and they are extremely fragile.

It's been a challenge to balance both of these groups and the "sacred caste who must never be criticised or challenged" has helped disguise the seedy nature of so many adults who've targeted the young.

Which is why we need to have these uncomfortable and challenging conversations

THIS 💯

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief.

I find the 'unquestioning affirmation' doctrine pushed by often fetishistic activists is especially insidious. Our brains are plastic throughout our lives and will rapidly adapt to what ever is presented as reality

Experiments show we quickly adjust to seeing everything upside-down | Research | The Guardian

The brain is especially plastic during childhood - being surrounded by adults who simply affirm rather than question will simply cement childlike thinking into adulthood.

I recall reading the Mermaids advice for schools over a decade ago when tasked by a school with working out how to respond to a boy claiming to be a girl.
The advice (for primary schools) was that the school should have an assembly to introduce the young child to the whole school in his new disguise.

I didn't have to be a psychologist to know that this was the quickest way of "cementing" a child into a dangerous belief, leaving them no opportunity for reflection or the changes brought on as children grow and mature.

It's psychological abuse of a child - and of all his peers who were expected to accept this fantasy as reality.