is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

But listen to the imaginary suicidal TiMs!!!

Ah, the RightThink trumps law, reality and everything line. Aka the 'it's ok to intentionally smash a policewoman's back with your mallet so long as you were signalling a really fashionable cause at the time' line.

Its good to see that tried; this really is the tipping point now. Are we going to have law or are we just going to be bullied and controlled by the most loudly disordered?

It only works if you invoke imaginary scenarios. So dont look at reality.

AO now thinking a grand an hour in really not enough. 😂

we need Joe...

'Its magisterial and a relay race' 'what are the ministers to do, they act unlawfully whatever they do- if they contravene FWs or if they act incompatibly with rights of tg people' 'they accept sc without reservation but .. the practical realities'

I gather I have missed the halcyon days of reacting with a laugh emoji.
Which is a shame 😂

Very confident to say that he doesn't think the SC judgement is relevant...

'Tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury'

Indeed.

Well yes, you don't expect your furniture to start arguing back. Letting women be thought of as sentient, never mind human, would be really inconvenient!

I think SG have fucked themselves alone on the blatant lack of consideration of any other interests at all/full on inequality of treatment on the grounds of sex. Which is mad because there have been several judgments, the Darlington one alone, which did not go the wanted way because of this. But this is a belief system in which inconvenient evidence and reality is just disapparated with a wave of the wand.

Judge not happy with quotations. Stick to the law, she says.

I want to know which Shakespeare quote he used now!

Thereby yes, definitely, trying to re litigate the SCJ with a lower court to get a more liked answer. They dealt with this. 3rd spaces.

You cannot destroy women's rights to meet new perceived rights of men, and the right to be in a women's space and treated as a woman in all circumstances was found not to exist.

I feel AO'N really had in mind the subsequent lines: Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time; and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death.

It's Macbeth, his feelings after he hears of his wife's death.

'Tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury'

This I think, from Arabella upthread

Chalk and cheese listening to these two.

'Re-introduction of Self ID' - yep.

The next line would've been 'Signifying nothing' 😂

AON now racing through history of FWS' previous greatest hits.

'An attempt to retrofit the policy'

'Predicated on a presumptive right for a trans person to get into a woman's prison, but there is no case law to support this'

'Trans rights can be respected for males in the male prisons.' (Paraphrase)

If ScotGov lose this case will they owe FWS even more money?

AON's saying 'trans rights' invoked in fact mean you can have pronouns respected and get womens clothes, make up, etc, (in prison), but nothing suggests there is a right to go to womens prison. Referring to the case of extradited Romanian transwoman.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine I think FWS will have to get the Bailiff's to rock up at Holyrood before they get any money.