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How would you deal with T in a friendship group?

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FourSevenTwo · 25/01/2026 21:46

How would you deal with T people around you? In general and in my situation?

The main question:
A male in a friendship group decided to go full TW, starting hormones and so on, changing name to the women's form and coming out with pronouns.

Unfortunately, our language is heavily gendered*. For example, instead of Hi Alex, you would say Hi Alexi for a man and Hi Alexo for a woman. If you want to say anything in past tense, like Where were you yesterday, you have to use men's or women's form for were.
This means it is not really possible to ignore it in direct interaction.

I'm not willing to pretend through language that I see him as a woman. I don't and won't. But I don't insist on calling him him. There are some not great alternatives (it, plural - with it's own verb forms, switching to English), but they are all very noticeable.

I'd like to find a solution for our coexistence in this friendship group. I'm not asking about a language solution here, more about an approach.

I'm considering

  1. reaching him with a message, saying I've heard the news, and I can't affirm, but, I'd like to keep things civil, so is there some alternative we can agree on?

  2. ingoring the issue and limiting communication on grammatically neutral constructions (which will be limiting and obvious after a time)

  3. some other option?

To answer possible questions.

  • I'm GC woman - in the adult human female sense, in the gender identity terminology I'd claim agender. I absolutely understand people are unhappy with gendered roles, I just don't believe that trying to become/pretend to be/claiming to be the other one is the solution. And I'm sure one can't change sex.
  • It seems that majority of our shared friends are willing to be kind, some believe it, some just don't care, men with no skin in the game.
  • *I'm elsewhere in EU, not a self-ID country. I don't ask about legal aspects, just personal approach. Discussing in my country's forums would be hard, as we are a small population.
  • The group is about games, meeting at someone's home, so no issue with single sex spaces, and generally gender doesn't play a role in the group's activities.
  • Yes, I'd like to try to keep the group if possible. I see it as a political topic and I don't need to discuss politics all the time.
  • Edit to add : I've name changed for this one. Sorry it is long. And yay, I've managed to force the formatting to behave!
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Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 17:32

ATranssexualWoman · 03/02/2026 17:30

And yet you keep upholding them!!

Where do I say that? Oh no, I haven’t. Funny that.

Namelessnelly · 03/02/2026 17:32

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Taztoy · 03/02/2026 17:34

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Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 17:34

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Did you see a shadow yesterday?

Taztoy · 03/02/2026 17:35

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2026 17:35

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That was yesterday.

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:36

Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 16:26

Sp you think expectations based on regressive sex stereotypes are feminist?

Not at all. I believe gender critical people are a small collective of misguided individuals who share obsessive concerns that are not based in social reality. Feminists were always and remain feminists.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2026 17:36

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Do you swing it around like a light sabre?

Taztoy · 03/02/2026 17:36

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Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 17:37

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:36

Not at all. I believe gender critical people are a small collective of misguided individuals who share obsessive concerns that are not based in social reality. Feminists were always and remain feminists.

But your definition of feminism means not being critical of gendered stereotypes?

Taztoy · 03/02/2026 17:37

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2026 17:36

Do you swing it around like a light sabre?

Only on special occasions.

spannasaurus · 03/02/2026 17:37

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Will you be applying for a Groundhog Recognition Certificate?

WearyAuldWumman · 03/02/2026 17:37

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2026 17:35

That was yesterday.

Deja vu?

ATranssexualWoman · 03/02/2026 17:38

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What a weird attempt at an insult.

Namelessnelly · 03/02/2026 17:38

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:36

Not at all. I believe gender critical people are a small collective of misguided individuals who share obsessive concerns that are not based in social reality. Feminists were always and remain feminists.

No dear, that’s the gender ideologists. Have you tried drinking some water? That might help. Also vitamin D. Very important. #lifetips

Taztoy · 03/02/2026 17:38

spannasaurus · 03/02/2026 17:37

Will you be applying for a Groundhog Recognition Certificate?

Oh yes. Absolutely. Then I can be a groundhog every day.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2026 17:39

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:36

Not at all. I believe gender critical people are a small collective of misguided individuals who share obsessive concerns that are not based in social reality. Feminists were always and remain feminists.

Blah.

Blah.

I am right. All women are not womaning right.

2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.

8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.

11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.

14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.

15. Men are the default human. Women are strange subhuman others.

16. Everyone owns and controls women’s bodies except the women themselves

I count ten.

DialSquare · 03/02/2026 17:39

As a PP said way way back, this thread is a prime example of what happens when there’s a T in the friendship group. Luckily, none of my friends believe in gender bollocks so it’s not something I’ll ever have to deal with.

Namelessnelly · 03/02/2026 17:39

ATranssexualWoman · 03/02/2026 17:38

What a weird attempt at an insult.

If you were a woman, you’d understand…..

MagpiePi · 03/02/2026 17:39

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:15

Except that you are not actually radical feminists and your 'theory' is presented from either bad faith or a mishmash of unsupported gender critical mythology.

🙄

How would you deal with T in a friendship group?
Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 17:40

Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 17:37

But your definition of feminism means not being critical of gendered stereotypes?

Though of course you cannot disassociate feminism from sex stereotypes as your only claim to ‘womanhood’ relies on those stereotypes.

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:44

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2026 17:09

'niche'

Interesting YouGov survey...

Survey results don't count gender critical support. Survey results count opinion. Superficial surface-level reactions to simple questions. Options change. Gender critical beliefs are obsession-level concerns.

Helleofabore · 03/02/2026 17:45

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:29

Safeguarding does not and should not require knowledge of gametes. Tying everything to status at conception is something only antiabortion campaigners do and serves no benefit to children. Children were the first people to notice I had started HRT. Children were the reason I started using women's public services. I caused a lot of uncomfortable discussions for parents until then.

Your beliefs on anything to do with trans people are only beliefs and do not impact reality.

"Safeguarding does not and should not require knowledge of gametes."

This is another falsity.

Safeguarding does require the acknowledgement of which sexed body a person has. Access to public facilities that have been designated as female single sex, is based on a general public risk evaluation because it cannot be expected that any person can do a case by case risk evaluation in an instance in a public facility.

"Tying everything to status at conception is something only antiabortion campaigners do and serves no benefit to children."

This is another falsity and is a cognitive distortion based on catastrophising and a false comparison. It also doesn't really make logical sense. It is like someone is trying to throw every prejudice they can think of at feminists to discredit them. This claim is laughable though.

"Your beliefs on anything to do with trans people are only beliefs and do not impact reality."

Male people are not female people, this is material reality. Whereas you can keep repeating your subjective reality but repeating it doesn't make it the universal material reality supported by science.

onepostwonder · 03/02/2026 17:46

Tunnocksmilkchocolatemallow · 03/02/2026 17:11

Just to be clear, ‘gender critical beliefs’ are that the concept of gender is the mechanism through which women are oppressed. Gender is a set of regressive repressive stereotypes associated with sex that suggest men and women must behave in specofic ways, dress in certain ways and undertake certain roles. GC believe that women do not need to be constrained by these social constructs. That women can dress how they like and do whatever jobs or hobbies and this does not mean they are more or less women in any way. Ditto men.

How do you consider it feminist to embrace these regressive sex stereotypes?

That is neither an accurate description of gender critical beliefs or of feminist thought and theory.

Namelessnelly · 03/02/2026 17:47

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