The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls

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Irish people are being forced to accept policy that transgresses fundamental boundaries and treats nature, identity, culture, family, and nationality as negotiable when in fact, the family unit, community, and inherited culture are the scaffolding of a stable society. We at The Countess are unafraid of analysing policy through the lens of womens’ rights and child safeguarding.

thecountess.ie/a-new-campaign-a-new-direction-a-new-mission/

Report: Through a Safeguarding lens, darkly: a thematic report into the International Protection Provision in Ireland

The report has identified significant shifts in the nature of sexual violence across Europe, highlighting emergent trends in opportunistic street attacks and group-based sexual assaults. The findings raise urgent questions for Irish policymakers as the State continues to accommodate over 33,000 individuals in the International Protection system without screening them against European Crime databases.

Drawing on official statistics from multiple EU member states including Austria, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Italy, and France, the report outlines clear evidence that foreign-born individuals are over-represented in sexual offence data, often by a factor of three to four, with even higher rates in specific subcategories such as gang rape.

Sounds like a brilliant piece of work. And I suddenly feel as though I now need to think more deeply/critically about news coverage which portrays those protesting about immigration hotels as right wing racists… all sounding awfully familiar…

Does anyone know if UK immigration stats are disaggregated to allow a similar comparison?

The formal rejection of collecting, and publishing of data, for nationalities rates of serious offending, particularly sexual crime, has been a purely political choice. Just like the insistence on putting men in women's jails, and calling anyone worried about the ethnic causes of grooming gangs and worries over asylum hotels etc as "far right/racist".
That's why the push is on to regulate social media, the plebs must not have thoughts like illegal migrants could at all be a risk, men in women's jails is wrong speak, grooming gangs/asylum hotels misgivings are misplaced.
Social media boosts these prejudices, not our zero collecting and transparency of relevant data.

It's not a good outcome, but again, what is the solution? Have a fall guy for every accusation made and lock them up/execute them?

Being the victim of a crime isn't something to be ashamed of. People who are accused of serious crimes, on the other hand, have to live with the stigma they are branded with, having reputations ruined, and possibly facing long sentences or even execution. I personally don't support revenge based legal systems to begin with, so I would just rather people that are a serious ongoing that simply be kept away somewhere. That's why the presumption of innocence is important. My mother was wrongly convicted of a GBH charge and spent 2 weeks in prison, lost her job, her flat and several friends, and was also facing a 2 year prison sentence. She was left with a lot of trauma at that time, and it wasn't for anything as serious as rape or murder. If I had to choose, I would much rather live with the status of being victimised rather than having the status of being the victimiser, any day.

Penis or vagina, generally. With the exception of intersex people.

Sigh

AnSolas · Today 13:17
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To not look at why young men sex offend and not ask if there may be cultural issues is the worst type of Western stupidity.

You :

Gridania · Today 13:26
I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at cultural issues. I said, more specifically that being from a culture with more notable bigotry in one way or another is not justification to deny people travelling. By this logic, it would be okay to deny legal migration too, because some of those legal travellers MIGHT be bad people.

That is you recognising that some cultures have a sex offending problem.

So how would you define a trans identifying male who has had what is euphemistically called bottom surgery? The surgery results in no penis and an opening that they refer to as a vagina.

A lot of them are openly racist, when they're admitting themselves they see certain races is inferior and more violent. It's not a false accusation when people say that stuff all the time.

Gotta love people who think that human nature is some universal constant. That Afghan men wouldn't sexually offend if only the pesky Taliban weren't in charge.
Or that Iraqi men wouldn't want 9 year old child brides if only their govt didn't just pass that law.
Hell, English society was already more liberal and advanced in the 9th century AD than Afghanistan and Iraq are in the 21st.

You need to understand what the function of the is GNIB.

And the obligations involved to obtain citizenship

Do you think that transwomen should be legally deemed to be women? Because if you do, that blows a big hole in equal pay and sex discrimination law. If the employer offers a transwoman a job because he thinks men make better employees, the women turned down for that job won't be able to bring a sex discrimination claim. If the employer employs 2 transwomen and 5 women and pays the transwomen more, because the employer thinks men deserve higher pay, the women won't be able to bring an equal pay claim. Where company boards are supposed to be 50% female, we may well find that they are then 50% transwomen and 50% other men. And so on and so on. We already have the situation where transwomen (aka men) are applying for funding which is supposedly women only - set up to encourage women in male dominated areas like STEM, for instance. And where sports scholarships set up for women are given to transwomen, who have a huge physical advantage. And of course transwomen who compete against women in sport can win big financial prizes. And that's just scratching the surface.

Yes, that wasn't in dispute? What's in dispute is you and other people arguing you can assume that people are criminals based on where they come from, and nothing more than that. Who are you to police where people go purely based on generalizations on where they come from? Are you perhaps mentally challenged?

And that, in a nutshell, is the heart of the issue. Data is not being collected because of fears that it will be mis-used by racists. However, we are at a point now where the lack of data is also being mis-used by racists, and where there does seem to be some justified concerns that it is women and children who are bearing the brunt of this unwillingness to confront the issues. So we might as well have the data and see where it leads us. For the sake of all the women and children, whatever their immigrant or citizen status.

THE FAMILY
ARTICLE 41

2 1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

Please upload the section which gives men the same protection

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#article41

"the women turned down for that job won't be able to bring a sex discrimination claim" She could as far as I'm concerned, because most people aren't claiming trans people have changed sex. It's more of a social courtesy.

"set up to encourage women in male dominated areas like STEM, for instance." I wonder why there's no emphasis on getting men into gender non conforming jobs....

Women aren't underpaid compared to men in the west. Most trans people aren't in sports to begin with, and there literally aren't enough trans people in the world for that kind of representation. I also don't care about sports in general. Just as I'm sure there are plenty of things you don't care about.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I think that we should be taking measures to encourage people to report rape and should be looking at the police and legal system to 1) make it less off-putting to victims of rape and 2) make it more effective in terms of speed and just outcomes.. I also think we should be doing more to discourage men from committing rape in the first place, and if possible to work with them more effectively after they are found to have committed rape, to reduce the number of repeated offences. I agree that being wrongly accused is a very difficult and damaging thing to go through. That doesn't mean that we should be happy with a tiny percentage of rapists being convicted of a crime (before we even consider the punishment).

But by your logic legal citizenship shouldn't matter, since you're arguing for assuming people are criminals based on their sex and country of origin.

I try to engage with you but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and don't care either. Women are in fact underpaid in the west as against men. There are plenty of statistics on that. And transwomen are having a big effect on sporting competitions (whether you care about sport or not). There have also been serious injuries due to the participation of men in sports such as women's rugby.

Which part of not assuming that someone is a criminal based on race do you not understand?

Most people don't object to legitimate criticism of cultural issues. But people absolutely will have an issue if you start arguing that some people are just innately 'bad' based on characteristics, which you seem to really want to say, but not commit to. I think most people who are somewhat reasonable have no problem criticizing religious dogma, including Islam, but that's not all that's being promoted here. Racial profiling is what's being promoted, and not only that, but also thought policing.

@Gridania On your main point, that we shouldn't restrict immigration on the basis that a particular group is statistically much more prone to commit certain crimes, because a particular individual may be lovely - women and girls actually have to live in the UK. This is our home, and most of us have nowhere else to go. I think there's room for a conversation on whether we should invite in people who, as a group, we know place us at substantially higher risk of suffering sexual attacks.

You have not presented any argument that her findings are inaccurate or her data wrongs

Is your argument that we should ignore what data is showing us for ideological reasons? Isn’t that what got us into the whole gender ideology mess?

We should take a good hard look at what data tells us and form evidence based policy around that.

Border Control

This lot will be flaged
https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our-departments/office-of-corporate-communications/press-releases/2026/january/garda-national-immigration-bureau-removes-non-irish-national-sex-offenders-from-the-state-21st-january-2026.html

Plus there are multiple men¹ (sex offenders) that are flagged when they cross between the UK/Irish border control systems to let both police forces know which country they are in.

¹ "nice white native" men

No, we should not have the right to tell people where to go because we assume they are a criminal based on nothing but location. Even in the middle east, most people aren't violent rapists. You make it sound like they are a majority. You're a nutter if you think that's a liberal society.

Most trans people aren't in sports, that is a fact. And no, I don't care about sports in any capacity. Do you care about male sports?

The wage gap is misrepresented. It's an earnings gap. It's not legal to pay women less for the exact same job as a man. Men work longer hours and typically seek out higher paying jobs in the first place.

Please explain how your idea works for women within this legislation:

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/enacted/en/html

You don't seem to understand that assuming men are criminals based on where they come from is in itself, an ideological attitude. Most men, including Arabs, black men etc, aren't rapists. But because SOME of them are, at a higher rate than other countries, that means you can thought police them and deny them legally travelling? Authoritarian. Authoritarianism is an ideology.

It doesn't matter what most people are saying as legally a person with a GRC has, in fact, changed sex.