The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls

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Irish people are being forced to accept policy that transgresses fundamental boundaries and treats nature, identity, culture, family, and nationality as negotiable when in fact, the family unit, community, and inherited culture are the scaffolding of a stable society. We at The Countess are unafraid of analysing policy through the lens of womens’ rights and child safeguarding.

thecountess.ie/a-new-campaign-a-new-direction-a-new-mission/

Report: Through a Safeguarding lens, darkly: a thematic report into the International Protection Provision in Ireland

The report has identified significant shifts in the nature of sexual violence across Europe, highlighting emergent trends in opportunistic street attacks and group-based sexual assaults. The findings raise urgent questions for Irish policymakers as the State continues to accommodate over 33,000 individuals in the International Protection system without screening them against European Crime databases.

Drawing on official statistics from multiple EU member states including Austria, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Italy, and France, the report outlines clear evidence that foreign-born individuals are over-represented in sexual offence data, often by a factor of three to four, with even higher rates in specific subcategories such as gang rape.

Sounds like a brilliant piece of work. And I suddenly feel as though I now need to think more deeply/critically about news coverage which portrays those protesting about immigration hotels as right wing racists… all sounding awfully familiar…

Does anyone know if UK immigration stats are disaggregated to allow a similar comparison?

You have not got a clue and are trying to make points from a place of ignorance.

When the Irish State is the forcing a woman to provide companionship to a stranger how would you suggest she can stop the State who is presiding over the abusive situation?

Is abortion above being questioned?

If someone is abusing you, you kick them out or you walk out the door. That applies to all relationships, same sex or opposite sex.

I agree that research is needed. How that's best done, I don't know. I find it easy to believe that immigrants do commit substantially more sexual crime than the average person. On the basis that immigrants are more likely to be men, to be young and not to be in a relationship. Add on to that factors like not having much to occupy their lives with or money to do much, so they're largely at a loose end and (sorry) are priced out of using prostitutes, and not having their families nearby. Then many of them coming from countries where women are not respected and where western women may be considered to be similar to prostitutes. It's probably difficult for them to find a girlfriend to have a sexual relationship with. Add on any trauma issues. Why wouldn't all this result in a lot of sexual crime? Especially when most men who commit crime in the UK get away with it, and that information isn't a secret.

You really believe it is that simple? What if you don’t own or can’t afford the house for starters.

The process of leaving is one of the most dangerous times for women in abusive relationships (along with pregnancy).

womensaid.org.uk/information-support/friends-and-family/how-dangerous-is-domestic-abuse/

What's your proof that anyone, male or female, get away with crime on an individual basis? We know people get away with crimes, but then we also know that people are wrongly accused of crimes too, minor and severe. That's why innocent until proven guilty matters so much.

Domestic abuse is not a women's issue, it's a human issue. Domestic abuse happens in same sex relationships too. They don't tend to have entire political agendas built around them though.

culture with more notable bigotry

Sex offending

A culture which is such that a male is more likely than a male from another culture to have a belief that sex offending is kind of OK because she was asking for it by eg may have picked nice underwear hours before he met her.

Here is a fact in NI half the population did not use the police as a regulator of socially acceptable behaviours the individuals family got a knock on the door and a suggestion the individual moves and never comes back. The individual was not given time to apply for any type of travel document.

So you think men are just as much at risk as women, and it is a completely non gendered issue? Sorry to say, but that is delusional. And it’s an insane thing to say on a feminist forum.

In Ireland you cannot miss the fact that news reports of sex crimes and violence against women all feature foreign named men. I don't for a second believe Irish men aren't committing these crimes, but they certainly seem to get glossed over more. I can see how the Countess picked up this issue, but I'm not overly comfortable with it.

Not all rights are human rights. We also have legal rights. Women's rights under equality legislation were removed when sex was replaced with gender coupled with the GRA allowing men, by virtue of a signature, to legally become women.

Reading you post you are either American (which I doubt based on your precious post) or you have used GenAI or some other source to write your post.

You didn't answer how legal or illegal status relates to this. The initial mantra that people who complain about immigration made was that they're not anti immigration, they're just against illegal immigration. But now the ante has been upped to "People commit crimes even more in this part of the world, so they shouldn't be allowed to come here". The problem with that, is that there are also many people from those cultures who are not criminals. Most men are not rapists, even in the middle east. Assuming people are predators and criminals based on where they come from, is not only nuts, it's also completely illiberal. Homophobia is also very common in some parts of the world over others, to the point where being gay is a death sentence. That doesn't mean that homophobes aren't allowed to travel to another country. Unless the individual has been charged or convicted of a crime, then no one has any business accusing them of anything.

When
● the Irish State
is the forcing a woman to provide companionship to a stranger how would you suggest she can stop
● the Irish State
who is presiding over the abusive situation?

As I said
You have not got a clue and are trying to make points from a place of ignorance.

You never stopped to asked why or how the Irish State was involved.

I agree with this. As a society we should be doing the research. What we do with the results is a different matter, but #nodebate should not be an option in a democracy.

As we already know to our cost.

Sigh

Please explain the difference between the UKs reporting of sex offending rate and the UK conviction rate

How is men being referred to as women preventing you from having an abortion, getting medicine you need, getting food, having a job etc? Some people just fundamentally disagree with what you might consider rights. Rights are subject to change, and can and do change all the time. Many people don't think abortion should be a 'right' either. You might disagree, but that doesn't make it wrong.

If your argument is that more claims of rape should be taken to court than what they are, then I don't disagree with that. But I also don't believe in assuming guilt when I wasn't there and don't know what's true or not. That's not unique to rape, it's any criminal accusation. Big or small. I know people who have been accused of things they didn't do, and seen the damage it does, and that wasn't even for anything as serious as murder or rape.

Exactly this. They used to do valuable work. I’m horrified at this bizarre reactionary swerve.

Agree we should be doing the research, we have to allow fact based discussion.

For example, from France. I've redacted the exact (non-Western) nationality of the men so as to not derail the point:-

A June 2025 report from the Office français de l’immigration et de l’intégration (OFII) was reported in the French press.

The report (“L’immigration [...], un événement de grande ampleur” by Didier Leschi, director of OFII), referenced [...] immigration to France.

It mentions a statistical over-representation of [...] in certain types of offences, including abuse against minors and sexual offences, compared to their share of the population.

It notes that [...] — who make up a small fraction of the population — are cited as being 21 times more present in cases of sexual abuse on minors and strongly involved in pornography/violent offence categories.

The report links some of these patterns to cultural and integration challenges.

Do you just want a fall guy for every accusation of a crime that's made? It's not as bad as it used to be, but for a long time, if police couldn't guarantee getting the actual perpetrator of a crime, they would just pin it on some easy target, like homeless or mentally ill people.

People downplay the existence of false accusations, but they don't even need to be false. There's also mistaken/wrongful accusations. A woman who was actually raped could pick a man out of a line up of suspects, and get it completely wrong. Which again, is something that happens in other crimes, not just rape. I don't think that potentially innocent people should be locked up or, in some countries cases, even executed just to meet the quota of criminal accusations. Many people are in prison and even sentenced to death, for things they didn't do. "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

I have absolutely no idea of what you are on about in any of your posts @Gridania

@Gridania if you want to talk about men’s rights and false accusations it might be better to start your own thread than derail this one.

I think the general message of "Don't accuse people of crimes based on no actual evidence" is easy enough to comprehend. Maybe not if you're authoritarian.

I didn't really say much about false accusations so much as I pointed out that it's possible for people to be wrongfully/mistakenly accused, which doesn't require the malicious intent of a false accusation. And I'm not derailing the thread given that people here are arguing for presumed guilt purely at face value.

You realise when rape and sexual assault there is often no evidence other than the victims account?

But that isn’t the point of this thread, which you’re derailing, it’s probably better to start your own thread then others who want to discuss will see the thread title and join.