The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls

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Irish people are being forced to accept policy that transgresses fundamental boundaries and treats nature, identity, culture, family, and nationality as negotiable when in fact, the family unit, community, and inherited culture are the scaffolding of a stable society. We at The Countess are unafraid of analysing policy through the lens of womens’ rights and child safeguarding.

thecountess.ie/a-new-campaign-a-new-direction-a-new-mission/

Report: Through a Safeguarding lens, darkly: a thematic report into the International Protection Provision in Ireland

The report has identified significant shifts in the nature of sexual violence across Europe, highlighting emergent trends in opportunistic street attacks and group-based sexual assaults. The findings raise urgent questions for Irish policymakers as the State continues to accommodate over 33,000 individuals in the International Protection system without screening them against European Crime databases.

Drawing on official statistics from multiple EU member states including Austria, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Italy, and France, the report outlines clear evidence that foreign-born individuals are over-represented in sexual offence data, often by a factor of three to four, with even higher rates in specific subcategories such as gang rape.

Sounds like a brilliant piece of work. And I suddenly feel as though I now need to think more deeply/critically about news coverage which portrays those protesting about immigration hotels as right wing racists… all sounding awfully familiar…

Does anyone know if UK immigration stats are disaggregated to allow a similar comparison?

You could try to read the law

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/enacted/en/html

And section 2
https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/act/31/enacted/en/html

500 women issued with a GRC

How do they fall within the act?

And FYI yes access to abortion is recognised as an Irish citizens personal right

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS

PERSONAL RIGHTS

ARTICLE 40
1 All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law.
This shall not be held to mean that the State shall not in its enactments have due regard to differences of capacity, physical and moral, and of social function.
2 1° Titles of nobility shall not be conferred by the State.
2° No title of nobility or of honour may be accepted by any citizen except with the prior approval of the Government.
3 1° The State guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate the personal rights of the citizen.
2° The State shall, in particular, by its laws protect as best it may from unjust attack and, in the case of injustice done, vindicate the life, person, good name, and property rights of every citizen.
3° Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy.

Do you think we should be allowed to do the research to get the evidence?

How is men being referred to as women preventing you from having an abortion, getting medicine you need, getting food, having a job etc?

That's a bit of a squirrel!

The fact you think I should never have had the legal rights that have been removed from me is irrelevant. You asked what rights were removed. We told you.

Sigh

You dont understand the culture and cant link emigration to immigration.

To not look at why young men sex offend and not ask if there may be cultural issues is the worst type of Western stupidity.

Why could a young man leave his home country with no paperwork and be at risk from his NDN if he went home.

Gridania · Today 13:26
culture with more notable bigotry

Sex offending

A culture which is such that a male is more likely than a male from another culture to have a belief that sex offending is kind of OK because she was asking for it by eg may have picked nice underwear hours before he met her.

Well that is why I would want evidence and you get that from research. Historically we found that men are much more prone to sexually abuse and assault than women and that most of that abuse and assault is directed at women. Hence we have a dual track of safeguarding women against men in certain situations and making attempts to reduce male offending in other ways, without having to assume that every male is an offender.

Why should we not gather the data to see if there are certain groups of men that we need to have a particular focus on in certain situations?

I know the difference between immigration and emigration. Why are you assuming people are committing sex crimes based on nothing than where they are from?

No I asked you

Please explain the difference between the UKs reporting of sex offending rate and the UK conviction rate

to attempt to offer a breakdown which would bridge the gap between the two pools of people.

As you asked @n231

Gridania · Today 13:45
What's your proof that anyone, male or female, get away with crime on an individual basis?

I don't agree that men calling themselves women is a violation of your rights. As was pointed out, you can still have/do all the things that people can do in general. Being offended by the legal recognition of trans people is not in itself a violation of anything.

I know it's recognized as a right. So what? Slave ownership was considered a right once too. Rights change all the time.

Is this you agreeing with @n231

And answering your own question:

Gridania · Today 13:45

• *What's your proof that anyone, male or female, get away with crime on an individual basis?

I don't agree that the government should be spying on some people over others based on where they come from, and not based on actual committed crimes, no. We already know that men commit sexual offenses more than women, so I don't know what 'research' you mean. Recognizing men commit rape more often is not justification for assumed guilt. I'm not sure what you struggle with about that. It's the same for literally every other kind of crime.

I'm not really sure what you're arguing about at this point, since you're not really addressing anything that was actually typed.

Quoting law doesn't make any of those laws correct.

Odd how you cant directly answer the question I asked about the 50% of the population you are busy posting for.

Or is it you cant see women?

You could try to read the law
https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/enacted/en/html

And section 2
https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/act/31/enacted/en/html
500 women issued with a GRC

How do they fall within the Act?

Your opinion on whether we should have certain legal rights is irrelevant in just the sand way mine is. The fact is we lost our right to protection on the basis of sex in equality legislation. I'm appalled by that, you're obviously happy with that.

I will do my damdest to fight to have my rights restored. You are obviously free to oppose the rights of women being restored.

Research wouldn't involve 'spying' on people. You would look at the 'actual committed crimes' and see if there are correlations between the type of crime and the type of men commiting them. It is looking at data in more detail based on hypotheses that ultimately may or may not prove to be supported by the data.

Which is why innocent until proven guilty matters. The point of this thread is that it's okay to assume guilt based on nothing but circumstance. Which is both immoral and authoritarian.

I think you're missing a point which is based on principle rather than anecdote: if men can also claim women's rights', they are no longer women's rights, they are just people's rights.

And that's fine. Everybody should have rights, human rights. No argument there.

However, society consists of a number of different groups with different characteristics and experiences and needs and it is entirely accepted that individual groups have specific rights, for instance on the basis of age: a 45 year old can neither enrol in primary school nor claim the state pension.

Many societies have a list of these groups with specific rights, or 'protected characteristics'. Sex is one of the protected characteristics in the UK, so women, and men, have legal protection on the basis of their biological sex.

In Ireland, sex is not a protected characteristic.
This means that women's rights are not protected, because anybody can identify into the protected characteristic of gender, with no reference to their biological sex. So men are allowed say they are women, and avail of what in other jurisdictions would be women's rights.

'To women, our rights and no less.
To transpeople, their rights, and no more.'

Except you haven't singled out anything other than the claim you have no rights. When you literally have the same rights and privileges as anyone else. No one is stopping you doing all the usual things people are entitled to do. And you don't speak for 'women'. Many women disagree with you.

Read my posts. I have clearly articulated the impact of the removal of sex as a protected characteristic in equality legislation coupled with GRA

And I never stated I have no rights despite your attempts to argue as if I had.

Who is saying it's okay to assume guilt on nothing but circumstance? I'm not seeing that in the thread

I hereby single out the right to the identity and the word 'woman', based on biological sex, and the rights that are specific to members of the group 'woman'.

If some women disagree with that, that's OK, but irrelevant to that claim.

That is extremely vague. What type of men? Based on race? Based on religion? Based on where they come from? People are not a 'type' due to any of those things.

It's one of the biggest scandals of modern times that there's been little to no data on differential crime rates between nationalities coming to the UK, especially sexual crime.
Because this leads to further lack of trust in our "betters" and more polarized takes on all the hot button topics.
What happened when authorities were forced to reveal what backgrounds TIMs in women's jails were found guilty of
...oh, quelle fucking surprise, the same stats as in serious male offenders, rape, paedophilia, child abuse, coercive control, pimping...y'know, all the offences that women ordinarily commit. Not.
Once we knew for sure that's what TIMs in women's jails are guilty of, the ones that dangerous men in male jails are guilty of, it becomes impossible for the likes of Sturgeon, Humza, Swinney, Greer etc to claim these men are women.
And we'll find that the growing revelations that Afghan, Iraqi etc men are many multiple times more likely to be violent or sex offenders hardens the public's attitude to letting thousands come here illegally, and not be ejected.
Ireland, along with Canada, Australia, NZ, California, NY State, Spain, has been woke central.
That can't hold.

Which is your personal opinion, and a pretty petty one. Still not a violation of your rights for people to say differently. I stand by the right to condemn abortion as a bigoted and wrongful crime.