The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls

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Irish people are being forced to accept policy that transgresses fundamental boundaries and treats nature, identity, culture, family, and nationality as negotiable when in fact, the family unit, community, and inherited culture are the scaffolding of a stable society. We at The Countess are unafraid of analysing policy through the lens of womens’ rights and child safeguarding.

thecountess.ie/a-new-campaign-a-new-direction-a-new-mission/

Report: Through a Safeguarding lens, darkly: a thematic report into the International Protection Provision in Ireland

The report has identified significant shifts in the nature of sexual violence across Europe, highlighting emergent trends in opportunistic street attacks and group-based sexual assaults. The findings raise urgent questions for Irish policymakers as the State continues to accommodate over 33,000 individuals in the International Protection system without screening them against European Crime databases.

Drawing on official statistics from multiple EU member states including Austria, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Italy, and France, the report outlines clear evidence that foreign-born individuals are over-represented in sexual offence data, often by a factor of three to four, with even higher rates in specific subcategories such as gang rape.

Sounds like a brilliant piece of work. And I suddenly feel as though I now need to think more deeply/critically about news coverage which portrays those protesting about immigration hotels as right wing racists… all sounding awfully familiar…

Does anyone know if UK immigration stats are disaggregated to allow a similar comparison?

I've found a very interesting article in a German newspaper. I've got AI to translate some of it for us:

"According to the report ‘Crime in the Context of Immigration’ by the Federal Criminal Police Office, around 7 percent of all registered suspects in 2021 were ‘immigrants’. The BKA includes asylum seekers, recognised refugees and tolerated persons in this category. For 2021, the number of ‘newly registered asylum seekers and refugees residing in Germany’ was estimated at 1.9 million. This corresponds to 2.3 per cent of the population. According to this, ‘immigrants’ were more than three times as likely to be suspects as the rest of the population.

In 2022, however, refugees were far less prominent in the crime statistics: the BKA estimated that there were 3.1 million ‘immigrants’ living here. This corresponds to 3.7 per cent of the population. At the same time, immigrants were suspects in 7.4 per cent of reported crimes – twice as often as the average for the population. This positive development is linked to the fact that the more than one million Ukrainian war refugees rarely commit crimes. This is also due to the fact that there are significantly more women and children among them than men.

Immigrants from Georgia, Moldova, Gambia and Nigeria, on the other hand, commit crimes far more frequently. The disparity is particularly striking among asylum seekers from the Maghreb states: they make up 0.6 per cent of all immigrants, but are suspected of committing 8.5 per cent of all crimes. Although only one in every thousand immigrants comes from Tunisia, they are suspected of being responsible for almost one in every fifty crimes registered with the police. Algerians are suspected of committing just under 4 per cent of all crimes – this figure is almost 20 times higher than their share of the total population. The figure for Moroccans is hardly any lower.

More than half of the suspects from the Maghreb states are known to the police for multiple offences. Many of them are repeat offenders. Syrians, on the other hand, are less criminal than the average for all immigrants.

According to a 2017 survey, recognised refugees are less likely to commit crimes than the average population living here. Criminologists say this is partly because they do not want to lose their prospects of staying. The majority of immigrants from the Maghreb states, on the other hand, have almost no chance of obtaining permanent protection status. ‘And people with little prospect of staying are more likely to commit crimes,’ says Pfeiffer. This is not least because they have no opportunity to work here.

In 2023, criminologist Christian Walburg from the University of Münster analysed: ‘The young men from North Africa who stand out in the statistics tended to live on the margins of society there and more often had previous experience with crime.’

Time and again, gangs from North Africa cause problems for the police, deliberately entering the country to commit crimes. The Union considers it essential to further shorten the duration of asylum procedures."

The German article is here: Wie kriminell sind Flüchtlinge wirklich?

Then link up UK official data on sex offending and nationality of the sex offender

Not the newspaper report which claims what ever clickbait message that is helping to drive revenue on their site.

A few things really notable in this thread:

1. People unable to understand the differernce between statistical data on populations and accusing individuals.

2. Lack of awareness of how countries screen immigrants.

3. Duty of care government has to protect it's own citizens.

4. Lack of awareness as to the right to enter another country (which is to say. there is no such right.)

5. Consistent conflation of nationality with race, and the assumption that racism (hatred of brown people) is at the root of observations about cultural groups.

One of the reasons for these kinds of numbers is that in some countries, a lot of the people trying to come to Europe are involved in organised crime.

Organised crime, for those not in the know, is very often, maybe most of the time, organised along the lines of culture/national identity.

You can bet the police know that and it is part of their link analysis processes.

Racists are a menace in society, they ruin communities.

Or leave Europe.

Organised crime is an newly minted Irish Export.

CAB worked

Kinihans & co moved to Dubai when the Spanish PoPo came a knocking.

(Hint Snow IEDs and hitmen)

This seems to be a common way for defunct military organisations to shift their focus when they need to find other industries where they can use their skills.

They were not military and millitants have an interesting interplay with organised crime

Personally I’d say someone posting 103 out of 300ish posts and de-railing the entire discussion away from the OP is not reasonable… Saying that asking for statistics is somehow unreasonable and racist is bizarre.

Perhaps you could start a new thread with your discussion points? Because having started this discussion - and now spending time trying to catch up - im pretty pi**ed off, only 4 pages in, to discover you’ve dominated the thread do that theres a paucity of interesting commentary on this contentious issue.

Please address the OP or start your own thread. Thanks!

I’ll quote from a thread last year:

I think the other intention is to make FWR so repeititve and boring with threads that go on endlessly, that what was the value of FWR is seeping away.

Breath of fresh air!
thank you!

I take it that your under 30? Or been living under a rock?

FFS in living memory:

• for your point google: Pregnant Then Screwed
• women told that they were the best candidate for a job but they couldn’t be offered it because there were no ladies loos
• women needed a male relative’s sign off to open a bank account
• Merely announcing that she might consider a future pregnancy would stall any career progression. Google the HBS case study Hole In The Pipeline

I could go on but you really need to educate yourself rather than plop in here and expect us to do it

And yes I am grumpy having wasted half an hour reading the previous pages of slop

Exactly - the campaign in the OP is that Ireland isn’t collecting aggregated data but also the Irish aren’t checking people against the European crime database. This seems utterly bizarre because I’d expect this to have a material impact on whether you can be granted entry to any country?!

@1984Now :
"Plenty of non secular non Christian migrants have no flags re sexual crime, the data shows eg HK Chinese migrants etc are less likely to be sexual offenders than indigenous Brits. Poles, ditto. Ghanaians. Syrians of Sufi faith.
However Afghans, Iraqis, Eritreans have sexual offences data that would make your hair curl. Only when you have data collected and published can you make correct public policy, and critically, keep the people onside."

Your second paragraph holds important information: These are countries who have been at war for a considerable time. Combine that with migrants from there often being young and male and you have an explosive combination. In Germany, numbers of rape and other violent crimes exploded after the end of the 2nd world war. Foreign soldiers, refugees from the eastern provinces, displaced persons from other european countries, internally displaced persons, together with scarcity of food, it was a place that was not safe for anyone.

This article describes the work of two Australian researchers on statistics of violent crimes in the American occupied zone in Germany from the end of war to end of 1946, and their conclusions (Google-translated to English):
www-lto-de.translate.goog/recht/feuilleton/f/nachkriegszeit-vergewaltigung-missbrauch-besatzungsmacht-deutschland-wissenschaft-forscher-studie?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

This reminds me of something I have seen in a different safeguarding context.

Just because someone is vulnerable and deserving of sympathy (eg having grown up in a war zone, being a victim of child abuse, having a mental illness) it does NOT mean that they can’t also be dangerous and predatory in their behaviour to others.

Both can be true of the same person. It is naive to think that all damaged victims are also lovely harmless people.

I've read an article re a study (USA) on, and spoken to someone (UK) who directly worked with, Afghan illegal migrants/asylum seekers, and the findings between both were spookily similar. Across the vaste swathe of Afghan men in this position, the attitudes to women, children, gays, but most specifically sexual violence, was both off the scale, and critically the men didn't know any different, there was nothing to work with to try and reduce these attitudes as part of integration.
The vast majority of Afghan men were effectively incurable of these attitudes, and those attitudes would shame Iron Age Brits.
Scarily as well, these attitudes weren't restricted to the younger Afghan men, also the fathers and grandfathers.
There's an assumption the Taliban are a bug in Afghan society. Far from it, they're a feature.
The conclusion from the study and my contact's experience, is that Afghan men are an absolute menace to women in their own country and exporting industrial quantities here only has one outcome.
Pretty much what you can also say about the men here from Mirpuri province, and the attitudes inculcated in their sons and grandsons.
Good luck when all the scandals start emerging in the next couple of decades.

Sorry to plonk a link

But ...

CSO data page for the pay gap etc
https://www.cso.ie/en/csolatestnews/pressreleases/2024pressreleases/pressstatement-csolauncheswomenandmeninirelandhub/

And the Act

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2021/act/20/enacted/en/print#sec1

Where by employers must classify employees by gender not sex and report the data.

[(Edit)
Note : The Act makes no effort to define what gender is or its meaning within the Act 🙄

Yet where "woman" and "female" is used in other Acts and the Houses wanted the meaning to be clearly defined it is always added into the Definition section.]

A society which went from education of women to college level to restricting her in her home and giving a male child more rights than his mother and allowing him to make decisions about her in her stead.

The men with the guns have power but ^ that is not happening without collusion and wide acceptance by the culture.

Let’s us not forget the episode below is which only occurred 10yrs ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1108/918458-minister-discrimination/

I will bet that the WRC will still have that [(edit) direct sex discrimination] pop up every year.

Reminded of a event where a newly engaged woman was congradulated by her male boss with she needed to change her career path as she would soon be have babies....

Dear Readers

His wife had 3

Women in my family were required to leave their civil service jobs when they got married in the 1970s.

Irish women have only had the right to divorce and easy access to contraception for a few decades, and full reproductive rights and same sex marriage are even more recent.

So many non-Irish are ignorant of the unique history of the Irish state (and its treatment of women) and assume that their being from UK or US is sufficient to allow them to comment on the situation of women in Irish society 🙄

No, just regular old organised crime looking for new markets?

Big picture, crossovers between militants of all kinds, mercenaries, and organised crime are very common. Even when they are busy actually being militant for a cause, they tend to be cash hungry.

I have quite a few dangerous predatory people come through my workplace, and I think almost all of them are also deserving of sympathy, and often vulnerable.

Just stop now @Gridania

It is embarrassing at this point.

Posters are being very decent with you, very clear, and engaging fairly.

Dissembling, manipulation, and twisting of words is not cool.

Consistent substitution of "travel" for illegal immigrant for example.