The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls

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Irish people are being forced to accept policy that transgresses fundamental boundaries and treats nature, identity, culture, family, and nationality as negotiable when in fact, the family unit, community, and inherited culture are the scaffolding of a stable society. We at The Countess are unafraid of analysing policy through the lens of womens’ rights and child safeguarding.

thecountess.ie/a-new-campaign-a-new-direction-a-new-mission/

Report: Through a Safeguarding lens, darkly: a thematic report into the International Protection Provision in Ireland

The report has identified significant shifts in the nature of sexual violence across Europe, highlighting emergent trends in opportunistic street attacks and group-based sexual assaults. The findings raise urgent questions for Irish policymakers as the State continues to accommodate over 33,000 individuals in the International Protection system without screening them against European Crime databases.

Drawing on official statistics from multiple EU member states including Austria, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Italy, and France, the report outlines clear evidence that foreign-born individuals are over-represented in sexual offence data, often by a factor of three to four, with even higher rates in specific subcategories such as gang rape.

Sounds like a brilliant piece of work. And I suddenly feel as though I now need to think more deeply/critically about news coverage which portrays those protesting about immigration hotels as right wing racists… all sounding awfully familiar…

Does anyone know if UK immigration stats are disaggregated to allow a similar comparison?

Or you googled wrong

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When the Poster realised the Irish State banned people from expressing views on abortion .....

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Totally agree.

The whole area of crimes and if there is a cultural cultural element should not be ignored just because the government of the day dont want to fund the resources needed research it and the if proven to reduce frequency.

When you work with people who sexually offend, you have to identify risk factors. That is obvious.

It's also obvious that if someone comes from a culture where women are systematically subjugated and rape is normalised, this is a risk factor.

How is it not?

If the safety of women was held in the highest regard in our society we wouldn't even have to have this conversation.

That some women choose to defend men over women is utter betrayal.

ive been out all day and come back to 278 posts! I’ll catch up and be back… although possibly tomorrow afternoon at this rate…

It doesn't seem to be the norm that women are sacked for being pregnant.

You will find that most of them deserve no more than a cursory glance😁

If you're not a criminal, but you happen to come from a country with high crime rates, it wouldn't be right to ban you from entering another country. Because you're not a criminal. It's actually quite an insane proposition, to the point it seems unserious.

Thanks for these links. I found the fourth one particularly resonant. So often the immigration discussion is about what the host country gets out of it. There is very little interest in the effect on the supply country. My own journey from enthusiast to critic centres around a dawning realisation that we are simply using the working class populations of these countries for our own ends, with zero interest in what they get out of it either as individuals or as a community. We brand exploitation as progressive and dissenters as racists.

My question was what protection has a man got

Because under Irish law a man can get pregnant but will have to feck off to the UK for any abortion.

And be can be lawfully sacked with no rights under Irish law.

A woman can get a lawful abortion in the State and can go to an ET and be given her job back and be paid for the discrimination.

From memory a man cant be registered as the father unless
• he is married to the mother who has given birth or
• has cohabited with the mother for a fixed period or
• by permission of the mother/woman or
• goes to court to seek permisson.

And a man has less legal guardianship rights need to apply to the Courts to have them recognised.

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Exploiting the working class happens to everywhere. That's not an immigrant issue.

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Have you read the fourth article?
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-liberal-case-for-migration-is-morally-bankrupt/

Border control can check for know criminal convictions and can add any condition to a visa which is voted in by the majority of both Houses.

Ireland shares sex offender data.

And requires national and non-national sex offenders to register out of State offending.

Looking at the data available and seeing if it shows a pattern country or culture should lead to a review of policy and highlight data collection issues.

And why not put checks in place to stop people who dont understand what sex offending is under Irish law from entering the country?

Eg a UK teacher in charge of under age students could be held criminally liable for acts which are lawful in the UK

Statistics on crimes by region, rape or otherwise, are already available. Data will always be less than accurate for various reasons, including the inevitable inaccuracy of reporting in the first place.

"Looking at the data available and seeing if it shows a pattern country or culture should lead to a review of policy and highlight data collection issues." A pattern country? Is that even a real term? How can you judge individuals based on generalizations of an entire country?

The rest of your comments about what is or isn't a crime is going into territory that weren't relevant to my comment.

How can you be so cynical & heartless not to see the cultural and inter-generational/familial harm that arises from exploiting people who come from less-well off countries?

I hate that the working class in Ireland is being exploited and I’m definitely not in favour of importing working class people from other less well-off countries so that we can exploit them too, as well as using them to keep wages low in Ireland. The beneficiaries of this type of immigration policy are never the workers.

Of course removing workers from other countries has a negative social and economic effect on those countries. Ireland has suffered from that happening for decades because successive Irish governments chose to just accept emigration, as a way of ignoring our poor economic growth, rather than actually doing something to improve living standards and job creation here.

We have entire villages in this country where the young people left to find work abroad and now their older relatives are all that’s left and those communities are dying. I grew up in an area that had derelict cottages because the children had emigrated and their parents died so there was no-one to take over the family home.

We’re losing our younger generations to other countries because the political class here sees nothing wrong with letting rural communities die out.

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Link me where the nationality of the sex offender is listed in Irish crime data?

I didn't read most of that, because it appeared to be a strawman. I never said anything about it being okay to exploit anyone, so keep your hair on. I took issue the idea that people should be denied entry to a country purely based on where they are from, and not because of anything they actually did.

You have the internet. It's easy to look it up.

I'm from the UK, and it seems to be very open information where criminals come from. It's even mentioned in news stories.

Excellent post

try and say this out loud though and we get called far right.

So depressing, just another way of telling women to STFU when they try and talk about their safety

What mass immigration?

The mass immigration happening in Ireland. That’s stated in the research. That shows a fourfold over representation in sexual crimes committed by immigrants.

Did you not read the OP?

If you make a claim of data being available prove it by producing a link to the data.

That way everybody has the same chance to read and discuss the same data.