Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 3

[fromorbit]

Welcome to Part 3 of Mumsnet charting the drama inside Your Party. We have followed YP from the start when it looked liked it might be a major player to its ongoing internal row which has left it struggling.

We have the best and funniest commentary on British hard left wing politics, looking not just at YP itself, but wider issues plaguing the left. Dominated by the problem which weirdly didn't worry Marx, the Chartists, Anarchists, Trade Unionists, even Communist regimes, or much of the long history of left wing feminists, but suddenly in the last ten or so years has become huge. Is Human biology a thing ? Are men in dresses the most oppressed people on the planet even if they are billionaires?

Currently we are looking at Your Party internal elections which have been dominated by the split between the Corbyn and Sultana factions who have different visions of how the party should look. Summarised here:

Your Party? Whose elections?
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2026-01-21/your-party-whose-elections?language_content_entity=en

Sultana's Grassroots Left slate not only added Corbyn without permission but others. It seems they are being denounced for undemocratic manoeuvres.

Fractures amongst Sultana's shadow caucus have opened up
https://skidrowradio.substack.com/p/the-slate-that-wasnt

As always the Men in Dresses have outsize importance. The Trans Liberation group are backing the Sultanate Grassroots Left faction, but things as always are messy.

The set up of the YP voting also means there are male and female posts in each region. The non binary types are claiming this is unfair what about them:
Is this trolling? LGBTQIA+ group demand "non-binary" CEC spots
A Your Party clique is infuriated that non-men/women isn't a category for the elections.
https://skidrowradio.substack.com/p/is-this-trolling-lgbtqia-group-demand

There is plenty more crazy to come.

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2
All about the conference and run up which really saw YP faction fighting intensify. Highlights included a Scottish "trans" male sex pest berating the conference.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2?page=1

It is quite an irony for someone so aggressive and combative to stand on a platform of being anti war, and peace, love and harmony.

Yes, for all his blnid spots Corbyn at least tries to conduct himself in a way that is reflective of what he is preaching.

I think Corbyn missed his calling in some ways. In another timeline he'd have been a trendy vicar, and his congregation would have loved him.

I can't think of another role in society Sultana could have played, except as the model for Student Grant in Viz.

I can imagine her as a character from The Muppet Show.

Leading an inquisition maybe for the secret police

Maybe 'Crazy Harry' the pyrotechnic freak?

He doesn’t. He does what every other politician does - support what suits their narrative and ignore anything that doesn’t.

He made a big song and dance of posting his concern over the Gisele Pelicot case, but has never once mentioned the ‘grooming gang’ scandal. Because to him, racial harmony is king, and anything that undermines it (even rape) must be hurriedly swept under the rug.

Same with political violence, despises it when it’s against somebody he supports, doesn’t mention it when he’s gushing over somebody who broke a policewoman’s spine with a sledgehammer or Hamas raping women to death and murdering children.

What I mean is in his demeanour and the way he talks to people. Unfailingly polite and 'reasonable' in tone.

So is Starmer.

Yes, he is. But Starmer is also very wooden and awkward ( I suspect autism)

Of course you do 🙄

People (ok, blokes) who play football with Starmer say: he's very serious about the game, he puts in lots of energy, he's not a bad player exactly, he's just got zero instinctive feel for the game. That tells you something about him.

The fact that Corbyn doesn't put on a persona, he really is exactly how he appears to be, I think is key to why people warm to him... and often blind themselves to his faults.

"Ellie Gomersall, who was poised to be elected as a Green MSP via the Glasgow regional list prior to defecting to Your Party, said the conference had "proved our commitment to becoming a serious political force”"

Thanks for this @fromorbit I had somehow managed to miss the fact that even the batshit Scottish Greens were no longer batshit enough for ‘Ellie’. In my opinion there is only one issue he really cares about; getting men into women’s spaces. Can’t see that going down well with Muslim voters.

Corbyn also had some very odd blind spots over the child abuse scandal in Islington care homes

https://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/31/corbyns-silence-over-child-abuse-in-islington-is-typical-of-how-he-picks-and-chooses-his-causes/

Whistleblowers were in contact with him in 1992

https://islingtonsurvivors.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-islington-labour-mp-1983-2016/

error

What is this supposed to mean or imply?

People with autism do not tend to have instinctive responses to social situations. Responses have to be rehearsed and learned, and so often come across as wooden and uncomfortable.

Starmer oddly reminds me now of Hector the Inspector, the Inland Revenue's mascot designed to humanise the labyrinthine tax system in the 1990s.

Slightly blank but stolid

The football thing is very interesting.

If you wade back through the threads and the Scottish Green one you can see Gomersall's actions in all its glory

The best hope is the YP Scotland damage the Scottish Greens in the list vote in Glasgow and keep them out.

NB Glasgow has the most Muslims in Scotland. Though I suspect Sawar has that very much in mind.

I may be wrong about this, and please correct me if so - there's an oddity about Scotland's voting system and how it gives disproportionate results.

This year is likely to be very disproportionate because the SNP will dominate the constituency MSPs but, having only about 30% of the vote, might come first in the regional vote while having no regional MSPs at all.

I don't know how this massive wasted SNP vote affects the threshold for getting regional MSPs elected, whether it makes it lower or higher?

I do know the entry of Reform (who might come second in votes but struggle to win any constituencies) will make the regional lists more competitive.

On that basis, a YP vote of maybe 2% would not come close to winning any seats for YP, but could kneecap the Greens in multiple regions.

Through criticism of Sultana here from the left. She comes out looking very petty and ambitious.

Your Party's Infantile Disorder
What happened to Britain's new left-wing party?

This reckless short-termism, however, has already started to come unstuck. In September, to the whoops and cheers of the watching audience, Sultana told a podcast “there is no room for socially conservative views in a socialist left wing party. Period.” She made this categorical pronouncement – seemingly believing it would be lapped-up by the party’s membership – in opposition to her Independent Alliance colleague Adnan Hussain MP, who had previously said that he and many Muslims hold such views.

This social media-mediated rift largely focused on trans rights and Muslim communities, and has threatened to be one of the most consequential developments of Your Party, jeopardising the historic alliance between the organised Left and Muslim communities. As a Morning Star editorial said, the dispute risks “rupturing the alliances which have underpinned the anti-war and pro-Palestinian movements over the last quarter century.”

Even here Sultana’s hypocrisy is evident. Against factional rivals such as Hussain, Sultana has said their views on trans rights mean they have no place in the party, but factional allies who hold similar views – such as the former General Secretary of PCS Union, Mark Serwotka – appear to be no cause for concern, as she happily holds party events with them.

This is a rare instance where Sultana’s posturing has resulted in pushback from within the Left, undermining her own short-termist strategy. In an interview with the Morning Star, Sultana was challenged on her definitive declaration rejecting anyone with socially conservative views from the party. Fearing the consequences of her actions, she gave an inch: “A party with a broad base will have different views among its voters”, she was “anxious” to clarify. “I didn’t mean to deny that.”
https://samjoyce96.substack.com/p/your-partys-infantile-disorder

A party with a broad base will have different views among its voters”, she was “anxious” to clarify. “I didn’t mean to deny that.”
Well she clearly did mean to deny it. Its what 'no place in the party' means. You cant 'clarify' something which was very clear.

Corbyn wins. Probably for the best for the party Sultana would have run it into the ground

Corbyn to be Your Party parliamentary leader as Sultana joins leadership committee
Former Labour leader says time for ‘real work’ to begin as his candidates take 14 of 24 available places on executive committee
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/jeremy-corbyn-your-party-parliamentary-leader-zarah-sultana-leadership-committee-seat