New trans equality civil servant at the Cabinet Office to focus on the ‘implications’ of 2025’s Supreme Court judgment

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Well, well, well.

Talk about sending a clear message about who is more important to Labour.

Trans will get their own cheer leader to make sure they are not discriminated against.

Women have no one to stop the discriminiation of blocking the implementation of singe sex provision.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/19/civil-service-hire-trans-equality-chief-supreme-court/

And at https://archive.is/S57Uv

Being gay is not based on a feeling that you're gay, that would be a meaningless circular definition. Just like "a woman is someone who feels like a woman" is a meaningless circular definition.

The definition of being gay is based on experiencing sexual attraction to members of the same sex. That can be described in concrete terms in terms of physiological responses and even measured in a lab. If someone says they're gay but demonstrates attraction to the opposite sex, they were lying or mistaken about the gay bit.

So what does the feeling of being a woman feel like? In concrete terms so I can tell whether I feel it or not? Because I go on the assumption that we're complete three dimensional human beings and we can feel in wildly different ways depending on personality and circumstance. The only thing women have in common is being biologically female. Their sex.

I don’t think I am the one confusing biological sex with gender identity.

But life is short, and I think you have a lot of reading to catch up on.

It might help you to stop using the phrases transman and transwoman. Try using the phrases Trans identifying woman or Trans identifying man, these are useful to keep to the forefront of your mind the concept that sex remains constant and unchanging even if the person has chosen to re identify their presentation.

... until someone pointed out that sex and gender is different...

Did that really needed pointing out to you?

That’s a very broad statement, and it doesn’t seem to address what I’m actually saying about the distinction between sex and gender. Could you point out which parts of my comment you think are reinforcing regressive or oppressive expectations?

I bet there's a daily food allowance for the emotional support animal in addition to the salary.

educate me where i am wrong then, I'm putting much effort into my replies to prove my point. the reality is , you cant, facts are on my side.

All the parts where you say ‘woman’ is a socially constructed idea and how we should prioritise those social constructions - or have you not noticed what those social constructions do to women? For a start, can you explain why there are over 126 million women and girls missing from the population?

@Collat What word do you use for female people? People of the female sex?

It did, although shameful at the time as i admitted, there's nothing wrong with not knowing something.

I’m not denying the very real harms and inequalities women face globally, like the millions missing due to discrimination and violence. When I say aspects of gender are socially constructed, I’m referring to the roles, expectations, and norms tied to being male or female, not the value of women’s lives. Recognizing gender as socially influenced doesn’t mean we ignore these issues or deprioritize protections for women — it simply helps us understand how society shapes experiences for everyone.

The women (and the occasional man) here on the feminism board have known about the difference between sex and gender for years or for decades even. We also have heard all your other "facts" many times over, none of the previous TRAs who came here to educate us has changed our minds, I very much doubt you will.

Its actually extremely complex...

No it's not, it's really not, 2 sexes with 2 corresponding 'genders', anything else is made up hogwash. There's no 'trans', no 'non-binary', no 'born in the wrong body' they're just political constructs that mean nothing. It hasn't been around for hundreds of years, it won't be around in the decades to come because like all fads it will run it's course and fade into obscurity. Unfortunately the damage this nihilists, meaningless garbage has done will be with us for a lot longer. Society will be picking up the pieces and repairing the damage for a lot longer than this stupidity lasts. The children who have been fed lies will have to live their whole lives paying the price for the gadflies who made up this crap and succeeded in getting so much power because of a handwaving, dim-witted population let them.

Being gay isn’t just a feeling you choose, but it is based on a person’s internal experience of attraction, which is how they know who they are attracted to. While physiological responses can sometimes correlate, sexual orientation is fundamentally about self-identified patterns of attraction, which is why someone can reliably describe themselves as gay, straight

There isn’t a single way “being a woman” feels, because gender identity is personal and experienced differently by everyone. It’s not about checking boxes or having a universal sensation — it’s about a deeply felt understanding of who you are, which shapes how you navigate the world, express yourself, and relate to others. Being biologically female doesn’t automatically define that experience, just as being male doesn’t define the experience of being a man.

And like if you meet someone for the first time and they tell you they are gay, you don't hook them up to a machine to prove it, you believe them based on how they tell you they feel.

Norms like paying women less? Like the expectation that they should take on the majority of domestic labour? That they should not be offered leadership roles? That boys should be offered more opportunities than girls? That certain school subjects are boys subjects and girls should be encouraged to do caring subjects? That male sport is more important than women’s sports? That men should be the majority on public boards? That women are sex objects?

Stop feeding the troll

it says that thoses of us who reject gender are non binary

it says that people are norn trans

it says that gender is not a mens rights movement

it is an AI trying to clutter up the thread

It really isn't complicated.

There are two sexes. Male and Female, and any number of personality expressions regardless of one's sex. Biological sex certainly shapes our experiences and there may be general tendencies or propensities within each sex which are innate - but there is also a cross over of human charcateristics between the sexes.

Nobody is born in the wrong body in spite of what they might feel, and male and female pattern behaviours remain even after 'transition' ( a recent conceptual device used to describe cross sex presentations and adaptations).

Quite often nascently same sex attracted children now get drawn into gender ideology because their sexual orientation and some of its signifiers do not conform with cultural gender rules and expectations; and some children with histories of abuse and trauna do likewise; as do many autistic children who naturally don't conform to expectations and rules around behaviour and who tend to view themselves as 'other' already. Some children have parents with a very strong desire for a child of the opposite sex.

Men have always engaged in cross dressing activities for sexual gratification, and before gay rights some gay men ended up feeling it might be easier for then if they were actually a woman.......because of the pressure on men to be 'manly' and to be sexually attracted to women - that emanated from society and or their family ( See Susie Green's child)

Sex and gender is different is all well and good. People are welcome to have gender identities if they wish. What they don't get to do it claim that having a feminine gender identity gives them access to women's single sex spaces, which were created for women in the sense of sex because of the different needs of female bodies.

It's an attempted linguistic sleight of hand and we're not buying it. If you can claim man and woman mean gender identity not sex, you can let trans identifying men into spaces that were supposed to be single sex (not gender) spaces for women. In fact, any and all men can go in, as identity is not verifiable.

For example, Gender identities don't need separate sports categories. Separate sports categories are there because of the physiological differences between sexed bodies.

I struggle to think of any provision where there is a good justification for separate provision for people with a feminine gender identity and people with a masculine gender identity. What properties do they have in common that would lead to such a need?

It wouldn't work in any case as plenty of people don't have a gender identity, or have one of the 64 other weird and colourful ones. Whereas we're all male or female by sex.

There isn’t a single way “being a woman” feels, because gender identity is personal and experienced differently by everyone. It’s not about checking boxes or having a universal sensation — it’s about a deeply felt understanding of who you are, which shapes how you navigate the world, express yourself, and relate to others.

If there isn't a single way to be a woman, then there isn't a way to be a woman at all. If anything and everything goes, then it doesn't have a definition and is thus literally meaningless. So sure, female people can be women, and male people can be women too, because being a woman doesn't mean anything in the first place.

About a year and a half ago, i was on your side of the debate... until someone pointed out that sex and gender is different...

…and then I discovered sissy porn.

😂🎯

Yes sex and gender are different.

So why on earth does anyone think men's 'gender identity' should give them access to women's single sex spaces?

A woman is an adult human female. That is the definition. The world over.

it doesn't matter how she feels or what she likes or prefers - she is still female regardless. Being a woman has got nothing to do with 'self identity'. It is simply a biological reality.

Being gay or lesbian is to be someone who is sexually and/or romantically attracted to people of their own sex. That's it. There is no right or wrong way to be gay. Being gay does not change your sex, even if on many occasions it may effect your expression of yourself.

It doesn't matter if a male person tells me he is really a woman...because he isn't, or vice versa if a woman tells me she's really a man. Felings have got nothing to do with it. You can feel or be who you want in your own head, but there is a real world outside of your own feelings and thinkings and in that world sex is universal and is recognised as such.

The vast majority of people with trans identities can still be recognised as the sex they actually are by other people. The clues are all still there, even when quite subtle. Humans and other creatures are programmed to recognise sex and its characteristics.

And like if you meet someone for the first time and they tell you they are gay, you don't hook them up to a machine to prove it, you believe them based on how they tell you they feel.

And if I subsequently discover them shagging people of the sex they said they weren't attracted to I know they were lying or mistaken. Like if someone says they're a woman but are blatantly male, I know they're lying or mistaken. As the definition of being a woman includes being female and the definition of being gay includes only being attracted to the same sex.

The point is when they say they are gay I know what they mean, in concrete terms. If I say I'm a woman I mean in concrete terms that I'm adult and female. Because the words gay and woman have specific meanings, they don't just mean identifying with the label.

That’s a hard one Collat, it’s like trying to explain to someone who believes the earth is flat and balanced on the shell of a giant tortoise. If they believe it for a fact there is nothing you can say to disabuse them of it. All you can hope is that one day the penny will drop and they will also realise that the moon landings were real, sex is immutable and determined at conception , gender is a social concept not science, and they are not stories made up to massage someone’s personal agenda of spreading ignorance, and misogyny.

The single one way to be a woman is to be an adult female whatever your background, culture or creed.