Well this was totally predictable

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Woman identifying as a man is 'raped in all-male psychiatric ward' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psychiatric-hospital-ward-court-hears.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

Shame on these men and shame on the NHS for placing this poor women directly in the hands of predators.

Why?

Hoardasurass said "I very much doubt that a woman would intentionally set another woman to be raped just to prove a point against gender ideology".

That is not what I said or meant. I used TERF as shorthand for sex realist man or woman, and I was positing (or trying to) the possibility that the "decision" is a combination of policy and individual actions, and that a sex realist nurse (male or female) might have thought "I know she needs to go on the women's ward, but if I walk her there I will get shit, maybe reported, and we'll probably get sent back to the male ward anyway. Fuck it, I cannot be dealing with trying to protect these women any more, not least as people like them are exactly who are reporting me for expressing concerns about vulnerable women in men's spaces... I don't want her to come to harm, but if she does at least that might be more ammunition to keep women safe in future".

I do not for one second believe the hospital had a sex-realist policy and some nasty TERF went against it to cause harm to a trans person. Or anyone gender critical actively wanted her to come to harm

usedtobeaylis said "That is not equally a possibility. What the fuck?"

Sorry, I said "equally" in the sense of "in addition and having the same importance (used to introduce a further comment)" eg "not all who live in inner cities are poor; equally, many poor people live outside inner cities". That does not mean I think both are equally likely, or that there are equal numbers of poor people inside and outside of inner cities.

This is a theory best kept to yourself while you think it through.

I think it's been shown that girls who take puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones will be below average female height. Interestingly, boys on this route can become tall (in the horse world geldings are usually taller than stallions). I wonder if gender-troubled teens are told this?

It would make sense for transmen to be shorter than other women on average because taking puberty blockers frequently stunts their growth. (Which is yet another good reason not to take them).

Sorry for cross post @Beowulfa

You need to read up a bit more on genetics then! There is an interesting book on epigenetics that explains why Audrey Hepburn was so petite (was a child during the Dutch Hunger Winter in WW2).

Great observation, it gets to the heart of the problem I have with people telling me to be kind.

FFS some people need a time delay before their thoughts are posted for the world to see

Taller, stronger, blue eyes, blonde and a credit to the Aryan race, eh?

Or the staff on the ward knew that senior managers up to Board level did not give a flying fuck that the policy which was written and signed off at all levels of management placed a woman directly in harms way by having a policy of placing a woman on what should have been a male only ward?

Or that the staff were given no method to whistleblow and knew that their concern or objection would be ignored?

Or that flaging the concern would result in the staff member being subjected to bullying from other staff and management?

Or that the staff member knew senior management would rather subject the staff member to a disciplinary for whistleblowing than accept that the choice of placing a woman on such a ward was choosing to provide a women to be sexually abused by men?

Or that if some unit staff knew she was a woman but others did not that the management hired people who were a bit shitty at writing policy and more who were unprofessional at doing their job?

Or that management choose to run a unit which was understaffed and poorly managed?

@JamieCannister I would be cautious about using the word "Better" regarding genes. Genes may make a particular individual more suited or less suited to particular environments and activities. However, the environments and activities that individuals have to survive or wish to excel in are shaped and chosen by a patriarchal capitalist culture so value judgements like "better" aligns you with endorsing the validity of that culture.

Very much agree.

That's not how it works.

Richard Snaddon had the capacity to know that he should not rape. He lacks the capacity to understand the impact of his actions on others.

It's not in the articles that I linked to, but other reports at the time made it clear that his actions were planned. It's not clear that he intended his first victim to be a six year old girl. It is clear that he planned to conceal his identity and to rape someone.

Upon release, he understood that he had certain conditions to meet. He chose not to meet them.

He then chose to befriend a vulnerable woman in order to access another victim. The only capacity that he lacks is the capacity to understand how he has affected the lives of others. He has the capacity to understand the consequences of his actions to himself.

Ergo, he had capacity and it's unlikely that he'll ever leave Carstairs.

I live locally to where this all happened. If he had been dealt with properly the first time round, the second case would never have happened.

I can't believe I didn't think of this obvious explanation.

Given one of her rapists was later transferred to a ward she was on, it seems that her new ward was also not a female-only one. I expect if she wanted to sue it would be for the NHS not protecting her from her ‘transphobic’ rapists. There is nothing that we have been told that suggests that she now recognises herself as female and therefore having been placed at very obvious risk in a male ward.

Fucking hell. What have I just read? I suppose that’s the sort of reaction you’re looking for. Well done you.

Point taken.

But I am well past worrying about being "politically correct".

AI "Yes, physical and mental health are strongly correlated and interconnected, meaning poor health in one area significantly increases the risk of problems in the other, with chronic conditions like diabetes, heart disease, and cancer often linked to depression or anxiety, and mental health issues impacting motivation for self-care and overall physical well-being. This connection works both ways, often influenced by shared biological factors, lifestyle choices, and behavioral mechanisms like reduced activity due to illness. "

If you were to compare two young women... which one is more likely to get herself in dangerous situations (which may lead to SA and worse MH)? Which one is more likely to be seen as vulnerable and targeted? Which one is more like to come out as trans?

One is physically strong, plays sport regularly, 5'10, good mental health.

One is physically weak, never plays sport, 5'2, poor mental health

Physical and mental health is obviously dependent on other things not just genes (good genes and plenty of good food as a kid trumps poor genes and little access to good food).

that sounds very eugenics.

So he does lack capacity to understand his impact on others and is held in a mental hospital not prison as a result.

instead of leaping to the rather horrid one?

Maybe you’d like to ask MNHQ if you can withdraw your earlier post?

(as a naturally short woman my observation when flying, on trains etc is that being small is definitely ‘better’.)

I think it should stay there. As a Horrible Warning.

Also racist. Do you think the Dutch have better genes than Japanese?