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moto748e · 11/01/2026 15:31

I think the truth is, we have little idea what a Reform adminstration would be like. A lot depends on how many non-looney sensible people they manage to recruit. My biggest concern is perhaps Farage's "51st State" dreams.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

moto748e · 11/01/2026 15:31

I think the truth is, we have little idea what a Reform adminstration would be like. A lot depends on how many non-looney sensible people they manage to recruit. My biggest concern is perhaps Farage's "51st State" dreams.

You mean it would be unfair to draw any conclusions from

Derbyshire County Council,
Doncaster City Council,
Durham County Counci,
Kent County Council,
Lancashire County Council,
Lincolnshire County Council,
North Northamptonshire Council,
Nottinghamshire County Council,
Staffordshire County Council,
West Northamptonshire

All of which are run by Reform.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

The party aka Nigel's Plaything will have to "democratise" ahead of the GE.

Why ? Nobody claiming to vote for it gives two hoots.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 15:42

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

You mean it would be unfair to draw any conclusions from

Derbyshire County Council,
Doncaster City Council,
Durham County Counci,
Kent County Council,
Lancashire County Council,
Lincolnshire County Council,
North Northamptonshire Council,
Nottinghamshire County Council,
Staffordshire County Council,
West Northamptonshire

All of which are run by Reform.

Local councils never had the scope for radical cuts, what with national govt starving them of central finding, escalating SEND costs.
Farage was a typical politician, promising the Earth and the reality being "crash to Earth".
Central govt is different. The state is jammed, and radical intervention is needed.
Here, Reform can be the push that's needed.
If it works, Council Tax bills in future could go up less, or certainly provide better services for the same cost.
Ironically, Reform stumbling in not reducing bills to residents could motivate voters to push the button for Farage in 2029.

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/01/2026 15:49

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:36

You mean it would be unfair to draw any conclusions from

Derbyshire County Council,
Doncaster City Council,
Durham County Counci,
Kent County Council,
Lancashire County Council,
Lincolnshire County Council,
North Northamptonshire Council,
Nottinghamshire County Council,
Staffordshire County Council,
West Northamptonshire

All of which are run by Reform.

To be fair, county councils are often a bungling shit show whoever runs them - they're not a good direct analogy for what happens at Westminister.

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:50

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/01/2026 15:49

To be fair, county councils are often a bungling shit show whoever runs them - they're not a good direct analogy for what happens at Westminister.

Handy.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 16:01

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 15:50

Handy.

"Bungling shit show" could be the UKs epitaph on current trajectory.

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 16:29

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 15:11

So, if there's one thing evident in this country the 'historical' way of doing things are destroying the country, maybe it's time for something new, it is the 21st Century after all. One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing.

I'd like them to do well in Wales, not necessarily win the Senedd but win enough seats to hold the main stream parties to account for the incredibly bad job they've done for the past 25 years.

Edited

One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing

If one thing's for certain, it's that there's always room for worsening outcomes.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:35

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 16:29

One things for certain Reform couldn't do a worse job than the current parties are doing

If one thing's for certain, it's that there's always room for worsening outcomes.

Especially if you continue down the same road that has given shit results so far.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:39

moto748e · 11/01/2026 15:31

I think the truth is, we have little idea what a Reform adminstration would be like. A lot depends on how many non-looney sensible people they manage to recruit. My biggest concern is perhaps Farage's "51st State" dreams.

He's not the only one, our political classes have been fawning over the USA for decades, it was especially embarrassing in the Blair/Brown years.

moto748e · 11/01/2026 16:46

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:39

He's not the only one, our political classes have been fawning over the USA for decades, it was especially embarrassing in the Blair/Brown years.

Agreed, but I think fawning over Trump takes it to another level.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 16:56

Voters had the example of Wales and numerous councils to see how badly Labour would run things but voted Labour anyway…

On a practical level, I can understand why you might want to start a new political party as a private company. Small organisations are too vulnerable to entryism which could completely destroy your purpose. Had reform been member-run to begin with there could have been a systematic attempt to change and destroy from within. Even larger parties have that risk - see Labour and Momentum. But given the size they now are it is difficult to continue justifying that approach over a hard-bound constitution.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:01

moto748e · 11/01/2026 16:46

Agreed, but I think fawning over Trump takes it to another level.

Does it? Or is it that Trump is portrayed as such a bogey man, so that the BBC can manipulate his speech and left-winger will say it is ok, that any degree of reasonable relations with the elected president of the most powerful country is considered obsequious?

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:04

I genuinely see Farage losing the next GE because of the Trump/Musk hand grenade in British politics.
Forget trying to catch Farage out over alleged racist schooldays, or associations with convicted treasonous Gill. None of that will stick, Farage has always been a cheeky chappy/bad boy shtick.
But his closeness to Trump and somewhat Musk may really come back to haunt him, and here we have all the receipts, no plausible deniability possible from Farage.
Polls show up to half of Reform supporters don't support Trump, dislike Musk, don't approve of ICE, Trump's actions in Venezuela and especially Ukraine etc.
And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue, especially once Greenland annexation happens, then I can see major turquoise sky opening up between what you might call liberal LD/Green patriots, likely Labour on board versus 51st State Farage.
As tactical voting then ramps up at the GE, we see a genuinely polarized campaign, and for first time Farage at a PR disadvantage.
Result? A slim Labour majority or left rainbow coalition propping up a minority Starmer result.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:05

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 16:56

Voters had the example of Wales and numerous councils to see how badly Labour would run things but voted Labour anyway…

On a practical level, I can understand why you might want to start a new political party as a private company. Small organisations are too vulnerable to entryism which could completely destroy your purpose. Had reform been member-run to begin with there could have been a systematic attempt to change and destroy from within. Even larger parties have that risk - see Labour and Momentum. But given the size they now are it is difficult to continue justifying that approach over a hard-bound constitution.

Reform has to revert to a democratic party before the GE, no chance I vote for it otherwise, and I'm very open to supporting the party

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 17:08

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:05

Reform has to revert to a democratic party before the GE, no chance I vote for it otherwise, and I'm very open to supporting the party

Let's see. I'm predicting that whatever is touted in the press, looking at the small print will show Reform is all Nigel and there is no way to remove him from the party architecture. Underscoring the simple single message. Vote Reform:Get Nigel.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:15

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 17:08

Let's see. I'm predicting that whatever is touted in the press, looking at the small print will show Reform is all Nigel and there is no way to remove him from the party architecture. Underscoring the simple single message. Vote Reform:Get Nigel.

I'm not voting for a Governor General.
I wished I'd kept it, but there was a fantastic early AI type CGI of a Governor General Boris Johnson, aged about 90, looking flabby and pustulent, his blonde mane now an awful combover, broadcasting to the nation in 2050.
Brexit was almost done, the 30th lockdown for COVID was coming to an end, and he welcomed the fact that 100% of births were to illegal migrants.
Britain was in the cusp of being Great again.
Maybe Farage will be the one to become a permanent Governor General...

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 17:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/01/2026 16:35

Especially if you continue down the same road that has given shit results so far.

'Different' does not necessarily mean 'better'.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:20

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:04

I genuinely see Farage losing the next GE because of the Trump/Musk hand grenade in British politics.
Forget trying to catch Farage out over alleged racist schooldays, or associations with convicted treasonous Gill. None of that will stick, Farage has always been a cheeky chappy/bad boy shtick.
But his closeness to Trump and somewhat Musk may really come back to haunt him, and here we have all the receipts, no plausible deniability possible from Farage.
Polls show up to half of Reform supporters don't support Trump, dislike Musk, don't approve of ICE, Trump's actions in Venezuela and especially Ukraine etc.
And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue, especially once Greenland annexation happens, then I can see major turquoise sky opening up between what you might call liberal LD/Green patriots, likely Labour on board versus 51st State Farage.
As tactical voting then ramps up at the GE, we see a genuinely polarized campaign, and for first time Farage at a PR disadvantage.
Result? A slim Labour majority or left rainbow coalition propping up a minority Starmer result.

Trump acts in America’s best interest, not ours, as he is the president of USA not the UK. However, I would certainly be looking for a PM who can maintain good relations with such a powerful individual. I have not seen any evidence that Reform are against immigration and customs enforcement?

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:21

ArabellaSaurus · 11/01/2026 17:18

'Different' does not necessarily mean 'better'.

If Trump Musk doesn't upend Farage's bid, I think you'll find a landslide prepared to risk "different".

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:25

And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue

Have Dave’s and Polanski talked about banning pornography? Porn Hub? Only Fans? The other 35,000 AI porn generating platforms? Snap Chat and Meta which are used in nearly three quarters of child grooming cases? Have they even committed to saying that men must not be allowed in female changing rooms?

SerendipityJane · 11/01/2026 17:31

Trump acts in America’s best interest,

Thanks for pointing that out. I was beginning to wonder.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:38

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 17:25

And absolutely allergic to a foreign national like Musk trash talking their beloved UK, especially one allowing pornified AI slop on his platform.
If Davey and Polanski successfully make this a wedge issue

Have Dave’s and Polanski talked about banning pornography? Porn Hub? Only Fans? The other 35,000 AI porn generating platforms? Snap Chat and Meta which are used in nearly three quarters of child grooming cases? Have they even committed to saying that men must not be allowed in female changing rooms?

Not in any way. But it's the salience of phenomena which drives the news. That's why Grok porn on X scores way higher visibility than Davey Polanski having no thoughts on porn, no issues with pornified men in women's spaces. Indeed, I think the media will give them a totally free ride on so many faulty positions and opinions.
Otoh, Davey Polanski could very easily make this Grok AI porn slop thing a genuine wedge for Farage, because the salience in this media atomised age is so striking.
Look at Partygate and Johnson, this sin took over above all other sins he was guilty of to eventually bury him.
Salience and visibility.
If Farage is to be derailed, it'll be unintended consequences of fallout from actions of Trump until 2028, that Farage's bromance with The Donald will inevitably tie him to, and maybe burn him down.

BrokenSunflowers · 11/01/2026 18:18

1984Now · 11/01/2026 17:38

Not in any way. But it's the salience of phenomena which drives the news. That's why Grok porn on X scores way higher visibility than Davey Polanski having no thoughts on porn, no issues with pornified men in women's spaces. Indeed, I think the media will give them a totally free ride on so many faulty positions and opinions.
Otoh, Davey Polanski could very easily make this Grok AI porn slop thing a genuine wedge for Farage, because the salience in this media atomised age is so striking.
Look at Partygate and Johnson, this sin took over above all other sins he was guilty of to eventually bury him.
Salience and visibility.
If Farage is to be derailed, it'll be unintended consequences of fallout from actions of Trump until 2028, that Farage's bromance with The Donald will inevitably tie him to, and maybe burn him down.

Edited

X is inconvenient for mainstream media and Davey/Polanski/Starmer as they have been unable to censor it. The desire to ban X has absolutely nothing to do with people trying to manipulate Grok’s AI to produce sexualised images - if it were they would be talking of legislating against ALL AI generated porn and porn more generally. The reason they want to censor X is the threat of Reform.

moto748e · 11/01/2026 18:21

There doesn't have to be just one reason.