How is the trans issue ever going to be resolved?

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It seems as insoluble as the Israel/Palestine question when the two "sides" want directly opposing things. I've heard the arguments that trans people "just want to pee" and that "no-one would go through medical/surgical gender reassignment purely to abuse women", plus the mantras that "trans people exist", "trans rights are human rights" and "trans women are women" and it's quite clear that the people who believe these things fervently aren't going to change their minds any time soon.

But to a certain extent, life isn't fair. Not everyone does have equal opportunities. If you're in a gay relationship (and there's nothing wrong with that) you can't have a biological child with your partner; if you're infertile (as I am) you can't have a child at all; if you're trans (and there's nothing wrong with that either) you can't enter the spaces of the opposite sex; if you're British you don't have an automatic right to go and live in the US; if you're short and unsporty you don't have a right to be on the Olympic basketball team - and so on. All sorts of opportunities are denied people at various different points, some as a result of decisions you make (like not studying for a medical degree means I can never be a doctor) and some not (see above re. infertility), and beyond universal human rights you don't have a right - one might say "entitlement" - to an awful lot of things, much as you might keenly want them.

Like it or not, once we end up in these categories we have to accept it. Absolutely no-one is eligible to do everything or to go everywhere. However if you have made a choice - even if you consider it to be more a recognition of something innate rather than a conscious decision - it doesn't mean that you have made this choice on behalf of everyone else. If you have chosen to transition (again, you may not consider it to be a "choice") you can't dictate that everyone else ignore biology and logic and linguistic authenticity and you can't dictate that everyone else will want to celebrate your decision. No, we don't have to accept the "lady bulge", we don't have to accept child abuse under the guise of gender-affirming care and we don't have to accept men in female sports / changing rooms / organisations.

Not sure how coherently worded all the above is, but perhaps it will provoke some interesting debate.

The sane kind of person like my ex who would spend hours “educating me”. I was not allowed to leave or change the subject until I caved to his opinion. For any readon. And yes. He was trans. So @TransParentlyAnnoyed spoken to a transperson, still have the trauma. Now what?

I want to know why trans individuals don’t have to obey the law.

Trans people will always exist, and denying that biological reality's pointless.

I don't understand the logic here. If I am denied access to a Blue Badge parking space because I don't have one, it's not because I don't exist, it's because I don't meet the criteria to apply for one.

No, transwomen have NOT 'been using those spaces forever'. That's a big myth. We'd know if a hulking big male in a dress is in there. We are not blind. And proffering the 'argument' that well, "men have always entered those spaces so let them keep breaking the law" is not an argument you really want to run with.

Trans Ideology seeks to erase all womens rights and spaces. It is the very height of the patriarchy. And I, for the fourth time, include this image as you clearly didn't see it and digest it the first three times because you keep repeating your nonsensical debunked argument:

So again, if female spaces are not safe from “violent men”, what is the benefit of making them mixed sex and allowing all men into female spaces? Maybe instead of scolding women, you should be working with men to curb their violent tendencies and to stop attacking people.

Fine, I'll get lost.

Being trans is normal. Spending all day winding yourself up about a minority will not accomplish anything, heal you, stop that minority existing or prevent a single sexual assault.

Please reconsider this life. Do something positive, because being upset about trans people is poisonous to your wellbeing, delaying of recovery and utterly pointless.

Best of luck, I hope very much you can find happiness.

It's weird how you seem to be able to tell who is a man but are also claiming that it is entirely impossibly to categorize women. Why is that?

@TransParentlyAnnoyed

If being trans was such a small part of someone’s life why should any other person have to use a individualised language system to suit that single person?

If being trans was such a small part of someone’s life why should any other person have to treat that person as if their belief that they have changed sex category is materially real?

If being trans was such a small part of someone’s life why should any other person have to act as if they fully believe in another person’s philosophical belief about themselves which is not based on material reality, when they don’t believe in that philosophical belief?

If being trans was such a small part of someone’s life why are we told that if we as people don’t affirm that person’s identity, we will contribute to severe mental health issues and trauma?

I don’t think some people really think through their posts.

I gave you some positive ideas for how you can spend your time. So take your own advice. Go and scold the men you claim are violent. Make them do better.

Exactly

You may deserve a Blue Badge without looking like you qualify.

Certainly you deserve to have an invisible disability respected.

Someone telling you you're not disabled will not sure you of disability, or change who you are in any way.

Hope this helps!

So much easier and more fun to scold women though, isn't it?

If you took the time to listen to people like Taztoy you would understand that many women have reason to fear MEN.

Repeating your lie that MALES are a 'minority' will never get you anywhere.

Please reconsider this life. Do something positive, because being upset about the female sex having female only spaces that exclude all males is poisonous to your wellbeing, delaying of recovery and utterly pointless. Women will not EVER stop fighting for our rights. Not now, NOT EVER. You need to accept that. The sooner you accept it, the happier you will be.

The female sex exists. The female sex has rights. The sooner you accept that, the better your life will be.

No. She doesn't have a blue badge because she doesn't meet the qualifying criteria. Just like men shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces because they don't meet the qualifying criteria.

Yeah, very possibly. Sounds like me, and I've had lots of replies. Not used to this.place after so long either. Sorry.

I just want to say: please get help for your trauma, because doing this isn't helping you. Trans people aren't some evil force ranged against you. Being angry at how they exist, identify and live won't fix anything.

Transphobia is.poisonous, and not what anyone needs for recovery.

I hope you have a decent day. I'm off, on account of having stuff to do and remembering the pointlessness of arguing.

Have a decent life. I'm.sure you deserve peace. Bye now.

Exactly. I qualify for a blue badge therefore I can use the space set aside for that group of people. She does not qualify and cannot use the space set slide for people like me.

men are not women and therefore cannot use women’s single sex spaces.

why are trans individuals not expected to obey the law?

I’m already getting help for my trauma dude.

men aren’t allowed in that space where I get help for my trauma, hun.

There is no need to have a visible disability to have a blue badge, so I don't understand the relevance of your post.

Don't qualify for a pension, don't qualify for a young person's rail card, don't qualify for the Olympics, don't qualify for an EU passport - yet here I am existing.

Thus speaks somebody who has never filled in a Blue Badge application form.

Males exist. That doesn't mean they have the right to enter female spaces.

Femphobia is poisonous. Misogyny and the patriarchy is poisonous. And you stand for all three.

The fact is you can here not understanding we feminists have been at this for years. We have the receipts. You have nothing but repeatedly debunked arguments and sexist misogynist tropes. We've seen every single argument there is and not one, not one, can't be easily debunked. Your Mens Rights Ideology is a house of cards built on quicksand. You didn't even acknowledge my point about Rachel Dolezal. Nor did you acknowledge my images of male people with erections in the ladies.

You refused to answer questions, and ignore them then flee.

Females have the right to single sex spaces. And you need to get used to the fact that we will never, ever, ever stop fighting for them, and, further, we are winning the war. The sooner you get used to the fact you MRAs are fighting a losing battle, and females will have female only spaces that exclude fully intact males in dresses, the better it will be for your mental health.

Btw, I know others on here have mentioned before that any male, whether intact or not, shouldn't be in female spaces. I acknowledge that. The reason though I keep on mentioning fully intact males is because the majority of people arguing for males to access our spaces don't understand that less than 8% have their penises removed. So while even a male who has had 'bottom surgery' shouldn't be allowed in regardless, I think it's important to ram home the point that we are, on the whole, talking about fully intact males with penis and testicles.

This poster feels totally entitled to lecture us on how rude and nasty we are in not calling men, women and not giving men access to spaces that belong to women.

But as soon as questions are asked for them they don't owe us any answers. 🙄

TRAs in a nutshell.