AI is really worrying and I fear this sort of image generation is tip of the iceberg

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98p1r4e6m8o

I don't know to what extent current legislation covers this but to my mind any woman with an image on the net could be prone to this. Are we going to reach a stage where our daughters are going to simply not want any image taken of them for fear of how it could be manipulated?

theres some discussion around people copyrighting themselves. It seems crazy but might be one solution.

AI doesn't have morals or aspirations it has algorithms. I cannot see a good reason to program an AI with the ability of digitally remove clothing.

Someone above mentioned Photoshop, Photoshop has been around since 1987- a whole decade before the internet became popular for households. Despite being able to create anything you can imagine you still had to get hold of it in the first place (pay a fortune for the licence fee or find a way to pirate it) and be tech savvy to find your way around it, have some degree of creativity/intelligence and spend some time and effort following tutorials and practicing to become good enough for what you want to use it for.

AI image generation and manipulation on the other hand is literally typing a sentence and hitting enter. Literally anyone can use it- including those with low IQs, people unskilled with computers/technology and people who are far too lazy to seek out and learn Photoshop.

Musk's "put anyone you want in a bikini" AI is basically a couple month's work in Photoshop reduced to 30 seconds.

And those smart glasses mentioned above are concerning too. Glasses with built-in spy cameras have existed for a while but, real spies aside, they were mainly used by pervs and anyone caught using them would be assumed to be a perv. Now AI smart glasses will normalise the wearing of glasses with cameras. It's no longer something perverts do. People will wear them to perv now feeling safe with how normal they've become.

Yes, and you missed the part where I said that with each iteration of technology it becomes easier and easier.

There are some AIs that have been specifically programmed to be able to do that.

But for most AIs, and a lot of people fail to understand this, they are simply programmed to follow user prompts and generate images. Anything is possible.

The AIs have to have restrictions programmed into them, and many people are trying to work their way around the restrictions.

I suspect that with Musk's AI it is an unintended aspect of it, particularly as it's usage policy says that it is not to be used to generate porn, so people are trying to work out how to get as close to that restriction as possible.

Also what annoys me about the BBC is that Samantha Smith (a victim of the grooming gangs) has been a courageous campaigner against the grooming gangs. The BBC has shown no interest in her until it's something related to Twitter. Shows where the BBC's priorities are.

He is and needs to fix it, but the BBC has mysteriously neglected to mention that Grok was just one of a number of AI and other image manipulation programmes and speak to the wider issue at all. But them the BBC took nearly a week to mention the uprising in Iran and is now telling us it is a cost of living issue…

Exactly. But the thrust of websites now is the other way - only get a free email account to use to sign up if you link it to a paid one, asking for real names, trying to generate paper trails...

I would ban most 'AI' features - most of it is AIPT - automated intellectual property theft. There's no intelligence involved except in the sense of spyware and it is becoming harder and harder to get good and accurate search results because the stuff the 'AI' doesn't know about just gets filtered out. Increasingly on anything historical or local I get told that it 'doesn't exist'.

It's a bit funny they've made this about Musk. He typically seems to underplay risks of tech, but I suspect that is his genuine view, he is one of those people who puts altogether too much trust in the idea of technological progress. It's a kind of subset of progressivism as a political ideology.

But the issues with AI really aren't about Musk, if he fell off a cliff tomorrow nothing would change. AI would still steam ahead.

My guess is that the ability of AI to create images like this will in a certain way decrease their power. SO someone makes an AI image of me licking chocolate off of Elon Musk, or something? So what - it's AI. Everyone will know it's AI, and even where the image is plausible, it will create massive deniability.

Of course this will create all kind of it's own problems, which are an extension of the trust and credibility issues the information age has unleashed. Shorter term I predict some big money in certifications to "prove" what is real.

The only think I suspect may slow this down is that while AI is cheap or even free now, once we are dependent on it we will surely have to pay for it, more and more. That's been the model for some time, introduce new technological applications for low or no cost, make people dependent, then jack up the price incrementally over a few years.

The other thing that may slow it down is its energy requirements. People seem to completely forget about that aspect of AI

Sadly the U.K. has made it very clear it intends to power ahead with AI - pun initially unintended but left - and the U.K. has a habit of not caring very much about its people, especially females ones. We’ve even had to have debates about who its people are and whether they really exist (ie immigration debates, and the implications & impacts mirror those of women talking about trans activists).

The US also has a record of willingly sacrificing its people to the greater good. ‘The greater good’ being the endless excuse.

Various people have also begun to raise questions about the future of the internet in the age of AI. The present and future of information seems to be the same as the future of people, a willing sacrifice in the new age of egotistical men and Neo empires.

If only women could control that top tier, everywhere.

It does concern me, I've removed all photos of me online (facebook and so on) and am more careful about who takes my photo. None of that can stop random men taking your photo though and using it however. Many years ago when camera phones first came out an older man told me he liked to take photos of women at bus stops and so on to use later to get his jollies, this is just an extension of that except now men like him can use AI to have any woman (or child) do anything they can think of.

Gosh how cool are these ? Bet they're not cheap though, but worth it.

Deep fakes are already illegal. This additional legislation is like banning guns when murder is illegal. Legislation won't solve it, though I have no objection to it being introduced.

This was a thing long before AI, thanks to Photoshop.

Yes but you do need a degree of skill to be able to make images with photoshop this new technology democratises that ability to everyone and often does a better job of it. So much so that men who previously might not have considered making fake sexual images of women they know might do it just for the hell of it if its just a matter of uploading a snap to a site or running it though an app.

I suspect that with Musk's AI it is an unintended aspect of it, particularly as it's usage policy says that it is not to be used to generate porn, so people are trying to work out how to get as close to that restriction as possible.

He literally had it put him in a bikini to promote it. Nothing "unintended* about this.

Good point.

How awful to thin about. The internet has brought so many troubles to girls and young women. I'm 51 so had none of this.

Worth it for what, exactly?

Well, for all the things you can do with such a device ?

I hate to break it to you but its not just a threat to young women and girls men will do this with images of women of all ages. I agree it will be especially traumatic to very young women girls for the most part but its a concern for all women and their children.

Sorry to give you nightmares!

You still don't understand. As far as I can see people use Musk's AI and then he either reposts it or does something himself. As far as I can see (with their usage policy) you cannot make pornographic imagery from it, and people have tried and the closest they have got is the bikini shots.

Now Musk has created some sex chat AIs. That was deliberate, but I am highly doubtful they deliberately programmed a semi-undress AI.

Now there are people (usually from Ukraine, Russia and China) that deliberately make undress AIs, I am doubtful that Musk's AI was deliberately programmed to be able to do it.

AI can produce a picture of anything, there is now a battle with trying to put restrictions in place by the AI companies to prevent certain imagery. It looks like xAI have already said they will put more restrictions in place.

Don't worry, if any part of all this new tech is in any way 'fun', it'll be made illegal.

Deepfakes have been a thing for years. It's now much easier though.

X has removed the option that was doing this. X is a shit hole of grossness anyway.

And men will be men. They ruin everything with their perversions.

This is a problem with men. Not AI.

Oh no, they are doing it. Do not go and view reddits Grok sub. There's a specific 'grok porn' sub. It absolutely is possible and the men are all over it.