Potential WI Schism

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I know there is WI thread but a cannae find it right now:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/c73091fd-d02e-4951-8866-3add883013cf?shareToken=8cfa38d472492bacc9f602cc068c4536

Transactivists hate women. They want to destroy everything single sex. If they can't have it, women certainly can't.

It's like the Midas touch except everything turns to shit.

I swear that if this person's fever dream on genital checks ever came to be, like some dystopian sci fi film, it would be the TIMs in the groups that would be the first to volunteer to do the checking of others, and then allocate the women to check them.

Tbh if you are single sex group that fails to understand why your members have turned to a single sex group, you kind are missing the point of your own existence and therefore aren't fit for purpose anyway.

There's an argument about the need for new organisations who understand why there continues to be this need and this demand for single sex provision.

Yes, I have written and deleted several posts this morning….

And I think it will be a rocky road for WI and guiides for a while. But then again, I also think that ultimately the majority will prevail and as we see each and every year there is a shift to full exclusion of male people and that less and less people think that just because a man or boy says they are female, that they should be treated as female.

But most importantly, that there are plenty of mixed sex opportunities for those male people to join if they don’t want to be in male single sex spaces. That them demanding access to female only spaces is purely ideologically driven. More people are getting deeper understanding of this and are no longer accepting of it.

Despite what moo thinks about what the current shift in thinking is…. Which is not reflective of the thinking outside their bubble at all.

“But she added: “As long as you’re keeping the business of it as women’s issues — so you know you’re still having a talk about ‘love your vulva’ and all of these sorts of things — my husband would find that he did not want to attend any sort of meeting like that whatsoever.”

How naive is this woman? We all know which men would be banging down the door to attend that meeting, even if her husband would rather not. One meeting like that, she’d be back to jam making pronto. Or lean into men’s interest issues.

It's all part of the post-modernism creed, deconstruct everything so they re-build society into a Utopian paradise.
I think from Mad Cows posts, he's a TIM and his dear friend might be too, he's used too many troupes to just be a transmaiden.

If the WI want to continue to exist they're going to have to get back to their original mission and be open to only women, if they decide to make a stand then they will fade away into history and women will have lost another place where they could meet and be heard.

It’s not at all concerning that our bovine visitor claims to be a teacher is it…?

My ex knelt on my buttocks and slammed my face into the ground repeatedly when I was rude to him. My nose has never recovered. He also raped me. Rather reminiscent of moo’s friend in fact. Weirdly, and contrary to the mooing expectations, this has made me more keen on excluding all males from spaces in which women are vulnerable, rather than less.

Why do we let men appropriate women’s trauma, our wounds and fear, inflicted by gasping men in search of the orgasm, as yet another tool to exploit us?

And if male entitlement was a perfume, what should it be called? (I can guess the smell: mixed semen, socks and dirty underpants.)

Oh dear. I missed that.

That is even more deeply concerning considering those posts.

if we class trans women as men

Transwomen are men. They couldn’t be “trans” otherwise.

i think it makes more logical sense to class trans women as women, and maintain women only spaces that can then exclude cis men.

Perhaps logical by your system of logic, but not legal.

These spaces can exclude problematic individuals as well, say a woman who makes every session weird by maniacally screaming about checking for cunts in an otherwise civilised setting, as well as any trans women who make it weird. A claus based on biological sex is hard to enforce and I don’t have a cheek swapping kit on me day to day, both sexes have breast tissue, trans men don’t always have penises I can check for, can’t go by hair length some women rock a cute pixie cut… a clause based on being able to remove members based on expecting them to be female (inclusive) and follow basic decorum seems to make more logical sense.

Bafflingly weird and somewhat creepy.

If my local WI wants to be more inclusive than your local WI, I don’t see why a judge should get to dictate how inclusive we want to be.

You need to try to understand how the law works in this country.

I think there could be a reality check for the WI. There will be individual branches where a gobby member dominates but a numbers game ultimately says that a majority of women will not want to go down the route of operating outside the WI parameters. Especially when they look at the insurance and liability issues.

This would put those pushing this at HQ very much in a position which became increasingly untenable.

The same is true for guiding but even more so.

More and more women are vocally willing to say this is bullshit for good reason.

If their subs are being spent on men, women of the women's institute will eventually get pissy about it.

I think they may have now left but still

I am so sorry that you experienced this. And so sorry that you, as other women feel they have to, feel that the only way to convince people who ignore your lack of consent about single sex spaces is to relive it. Women and girls should not be put in this position !

I am interested to see if YouGov have done an end of year tracker. We have already seen a big shift since the 2018 one.

This year should be a doozy considering the Peggy v NHS Fife and Darlington nurses cases and the SC judgement.

Tbh some of our most regular visitors claim to have jobs that involve teaching/safeguarding/healthcare.

i tend to think they're talking bollocks and choose those areas as part of their MO if yanking pols chains with a side order of "lurkers will see that teachers or nurses aren't bothered by it all so it's all fine"

Yes. The underlying message is the one straight off the every day boring abusive man script to those of us who have known it: 'submit or I'll break it'.

We have the inability of men to cope with the idea of not being biological women, which means an inability to accept that biological women may have any existence or needs that are worth anything beyond that he wants womanhood so either he takes it or it goes. It's rooted in extreme sexism and a belief that women only exist as resources and props, and that his right of authority over them is not to be questioned (which shows he knows damned well he is a man and they are not.) And as the Reddit quote above shows; you are never more than a few seconds away from the threats of abuse, coercive control, fantasies of humiliation and punishment, and a few seconds beyond that comes the sexual violence.

Now why I wonder is it that some women want spaces to just get the fuck away from all this for an hour or two a month and have some corner of existence that doesn't revolve around men, or around the other labours of caretaking?

The women desperate to indulge and nurture it are actually trying to do much the same thing, and to make the same escape, just in a very distorted way and with more freeze and appease going on.

On reflection in the WI case and the GG case, the message seems more 'submit or I'll send women to do the work for me of breaking it'.

Why keep a dog and bark yourself after all?

The one last year was carried out in December 2024 but only published about three months after that. The previous one wasn't a round twelve months before - it was a bit longer.

So I'm not expecting anything before March tbh even if they have done one.

I will be fascinated to see if there is a Peggie effect.

Yes. There does seem to be far too many women who will take the enforcer role as we can see from the poster here.

I can’t imagine any woman with strong personal boundaries using terms like ‘cunt checks’ to defend male inclusion into female single sex spaces.

Mind you, we had that one poster a while ago who assured us that there was no way we could tell the difference between her male friends cavity sewn into his groin and a female vagina. Some women really are that determined to ignore reality to prioritise their male friends or their own ideological thinking.

A known propaganda technique is to use a position of status to enhance your credentials as part of an argument.

'I know better than you plebs because I have this social status and authority'.

It's a punching down technique to shut out or shut down 'lesser status' individuals.

Unfortunately people recognise it the technique and it's contributed to this idea of the privileged out of touch Lanyard Classes and that's being utilised as a campaign strategy for Reform.

The first story there is about Jolyon Maugham’s wife. You know who JM is right? He from the Good Law Project. His income depends on trans nonsense and they have a trans child.

quite coincidentally she tweeted that she thought she would be challenged, deleted the tweet and then oh what a surprise claimed to have been challenged.

doesn’t ring true does it?

I am so sorry to hear of the male violence perpetrated on posters

I would love for one of the mixed sex group advocates to explain to me how a man becomes a woman. At what point, how does it happen. I am really keen to understand how a human changes sex but no one will tell me.

I'm not sure that flogging is an adequate punishment for a creature with an exoskeleton. I think force feeding you Tunnocks for a week would teach you a lesson.

I'm so confused by this remark.

Leaving aside who might want to join for unsavoury reasons, how many WI members join because the want to discuss their vulva?

And assuming that her WI group regularly discuss this kind of thing, how is she still so uninformed that she thinks a man might have one?

Totally agree on all points @TheywontletmehavethenameIwant