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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/01/2026 03:27

FirmaTerra · 31/12/2025 17:18

I'm sure you'd change your mind if you saw it cheekily peeking out from behind a pillar in your local gym's women's changing room Wink

Such a hilarious photo. Maybe the photographer was a TERF doing a subversive mission.

"No need for a scarf to hide your Adam's Apple, let's do this pose common commonly used by playful but shy middle aged ladies! es that's it, just your head peeking round the tree! Don't worry, it's giving cockette coquette rather than sinister!"

🤣

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 11:50

potpourree · 30/12/2025 19:47

Yes, in their rush to trample on women, TRAs frequently erase the existence of trans men by pretending that female-only groups won't include them.

It's dishonest and sexist.

I thought the WI did exclude trans men because TMAM?

Szygy · 01/01/2026 12:01

@selffellatingouroborosofhate I’m confused too - so essentially the TWG head office is shutting itself down and telling branches that they’re on their own now? I believe the TWG allows in anyone who 'considers themselves to be a woman', don’t they, despite calling themselves a female-only org? So in light of the SC ruling, have they just…..taken fright and folded?
(Not a member, just curious, since they’ve managed to fly under the radar despite being the other big supposedly-female-only org next to the WI)

potpourree · 01/01/2026 17:28

Grammarnut · 01/01/2026 11:50

I thought the WI did exclude trans men because TMAM?

It previously did if it was going by gender identity, but if it is now female-only then I don't know how they could turn down a female person's membership, however they identify.

Another2Cats · 01/01/2026 18:20

Taytoface · 31/12/2025 00:13

I have a bit of a different view on the WI. I dont know what they offer in great detail, but does sex really matter in terms of what they offer, or does it matter because they describe themselves as the women's institute. If it is the former, then they should be single sex, if it is purely a descriptor, then they should be open to all comers, but should no longer fashion themselves as as women's institute, perhaps become the people who feel like women's institute (PFWI). What they can't do is have it both ways.

I'm a little late to reply to this - sorry.

"...but does sex really matter in terms of what they offer, or does it matter because they describe themselves as the women's institute."

What the WI offers is a separate space for women. Borrowing some arguments-

There are various rationales for the need for women-only spaces. These include:

1 Women have an interest in self-determination. The role of women in society has, historically, been disproportionately determined by others, that is, men. For this reason it is particularly important that women, without men - the ‘others’ who did all the previous determining - are able to decide matters of importance themselves. Women need spaces of their own in order to self-determine, but also, by the act of creating spaces in which to be inaccessible, women are also exercising self-determination.

Self determination particularly justifies exclusion in spaces where there is the chance for women to talk and raise consciousness. This allows women to talk openly about and debate issues of interest from a female view without the presence of men.

Indeed, it has been part of the WI’s constitution since at least 1948 to “[p]rovide for the fuller education of countrywomen in citizenship, in public questions both national and international, …”

The latest constitution puts it this way: “to advance the education of women and girls for the public benefit in all areas including (without limitation):
(i) local, national and international issues of political and social importance;”
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2 Women also have an interest in respite from men; a break from male attitudes, expectations and behaviours. Women and men are generally socialised very differently, and this leads to differences in the average behaviour of women and men, which colours their interactions. Women are required to deal with these male attitudes, expectations and behaviours in mixed-sex spaces. Women-only spaces can provide an important respite from this.

There is no reason to think that transitioning (which does not necessarily involve hormones or surgery) would switch someone from demonstrating male-typical behaviour patterns to female-typical patterns. If trans-identifying men will bring some or all of these male-typical attitudes, expectations and behaviours into these spaces then that is, on its face, reason to exclude trans-identifying men from those spaces.

This rationale does not depend on it being the case that a particular male person would in fact bring male-socialised behaviours into a space. It is enough that women have to manage this possibility when men are around. Women-only spaces provide respite not just from certain sorts of behaviours, but from having to make contingency plans about what to do in light of certain sorts of behaviours - from being on guard.
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3 Finally, it’s relevant that women established the WI themselves. Women funded, volunteered at, and ran the WI as services by women for women for the last 110 years. If other groups may benefit from access to such spaces this does not give them the automatic right to be included; such groups should do the same work that the women of the WI have done for the last 110 years and establish such spaces for themselves.

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