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The greatest shibboleth of all...the "trans child".

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1984Now · 28/12/2025 13:34

More and more my mind is drawn as to how/why transgender ideology has succeeded. And not just partially, totally. Sure, there may be a re-righting of the ship, but I don't see any return to the pre-2012 (the year that Lionel Schriver identifies as when the ship hit the rocks) liberal consensus.
So many things...trans rights is men's rights, rapid onset gender dysphoria, possible march thru the professions/institutions, the feral power of autogynephilia, suicidal empathy, the birth of a new religion and caste structure, cancel culture freezing criticism, the drive to trans humanism. And many more things.
But things really clarified for me over a year ago when Helen Joyce was asked her opinion on this movement's implacable power. And she mentioned both the impossibility of anyone repenting publicly who'd invested themselves into gender ideology re their own children, or in response to children in their extended family, friends, colleagues, and critically admitting to themselves that they'd something so terrible.
At that point, whether you were typically a very brave person who'd normally speak truth to power, or even someone with a generally well rounded pride in being a truthful honest person happy to speak up...so many shut up.
So many...Schriver knew it was BS, but only started to speak up in 2016, four years after she realized how wrong this all was.
JK Rowling took a lot of time.
Linehan? Maybe he spoke up on day one, but he'd have been an absolute exception.
And if Joyce is right, then societies total capitulating is less to do with my list above, and all to do with the concept of the trans child.
For anyone, anonymous or a billionaire writer, to say "sorry, I'm sympathetic to children's plight, but there's no such thing as a trans child, just body dysmorphia", for anyone to say this to one's child, and critically any child they know, and children at large, would have required such bravery and sheer hard headedness, that I can't think of anyone other than Linehan who could have done it.
Before you know it, 5 years have gone by, we're in the Great Awokening, the midst of social media changing everything, then into COVID and the explosion in trans ideology controlling the discourse.
So, umpteen all very convincing reasons why trans ideology has flown, but what got it up in the air was (and still is) the shibboleth of the trans child.
Once society looked the other way on this concept, medicine, academia, social sciences, schools all locked down the trans child as a concept that couldn't be questioned or even discussed quizzically, let alone disbelieved/dismissed, the die was cast.
I do believe this is a big part as to why so many women have been instrumental in the bye that trans ideology has been given, women's inherent empathy has been weaponised by men in the movement for fetishistic readings (AGPs) or political reasons.
Turn the clock back, society en masse chose not to affirm the trans child as inviolable shibboleth, the world would be very different today.
Can things be righted? You can guess what my answer is as I respond to the thread on Streeting's puberty blocker trial...the trans child remains a total neo-religious icon to the modern left.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 29/12/2025 14:33

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 29/12/2025 08:42

The YP I know is covered with self harm scars and on the list for a mastectomy.

The parade of falsehoods she believes is hard to swallow- she’s a walking leftist jargon machine. I say this despite being left leaning. She has no understanding of tax, economics or business. Her statements can’t be challenged because they are those core beliefs. I’m not expressing it well- we can’t discuss politics because she doesn’t have any understanding, just ‘four legs good, two legs bad’ level.
Obviously if she doesn’t trans herself, she will suicide before 30yrs old. It’s desperately sad.

I was reading about new research in autism that identifies 4 ‘types’ that have different characteristics and causes, and different ages of diagnosis. I wonder if gender dysphoria will turn out to fit in just one of the categories? That may help clarify things further.

Can haz links to research please? Am autistic.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 29/12/2025 14:48

MarieDeGournay · 29/12/2025 11:27

'word on the street' - well from mums of teenager, to be precise😄- is that younger teenagers are not buying into the trans thing as much as their older siblings did.

Although it is also a wider social phenomenon, there is an element of the teenage urge to embrace the current fad to distinguish yourself from the common herd by making yourself different and edgy and exciting and special -
I remember it well🙄

There is a pincer movement of people like us sticking to the facts, constantly correcting incorrect science like 'sex is a spectrum', and young teenagers turning away in boredom from classmates making themselves out to be 'special' along with...

...hang on, that's a pincer with three pinching bits, but I'll plough on regardless 😄

..along with the legal fights bravely, and often successfully fought by FWS, Sandie, Maya, Sara, Sex Matters, etc etc.
I think that [uniquely tripartite] pincer movement is a source of optimism!

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A pincer movement with air support.

  • Factual science on the west flank.
  • Lawsuits on the east flank.
  • Teens getting bored of their so-special peers as the attack helicopters. Being uncool is as effective as a Hellfire missile against teens.
Talkinpeace · 29/12/2025 15:00

Mermaids accounts are not showing on the Charity Commission that I can see - does somebody have a link ?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 29/12/2025 15:28

In the list of Mermaids trustees: "One trustee with a dispensation for personal safety"

Not happy with that lack of transparency. How do we verify that this person is a fit and proper person to be a trustee of a children's charity?

Talkinpeace · 29/12/2025 15:40

Oh man those accounts are amusing to read.

Page 48 2.2 - tiny violin time

Page 53 note 5 - ha ha ha ha ha ha
note 6 - oh my poor ribs

Page 59 note 16 - chickens coming home to roost

Page 60 note 18 - "going concern"

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 29/12/2025 15:59

Talkinpeace · 29/12/2025 15:40

Oh man those accounts are amusing to read.

Page 48 2.2 - tiny violin time

Page 53 note 5 - ha ha ha ha ha ha
note 6 - oh my poor ribs

Page 59 note 16 - chickens coming home to roost

Page 60 note 18 - "going concern"

52 point 4: Who is donating to them? Because someone has increased donations to them since last year, I suspect to plug the other funding gaps. And failed, because Mermaids appear to have liabilities that exceed their assets. Page 60 indicates that they are in the red to the tune of £33k.

RavelsDancer · 29/12/2025 23:10

RedToothBrush · 29/12/2025 11:45

I think I recognised earlier than most that there were several different cohorts within this trans umbrella and they all had very different interests.

I also recognised who had the power and the influence and was lobbying. It was the middle aged men.

The invisibility of any kind of research of the effects of drugs on females, instead using data relating only to males was a HUGE tell and one that has significant implications in my opinion.

We can't get away from the fact that child being labelled as trans legitimises middle aged male transitioners and normalises fetishism. It's impossible. It suited their agenda and we've seen a lot of examples of older men on these internet forums encouraging teens to transition and alienate their families. In other situations we'd be alarmed by the dynamics of power and influence going on, but somehow there's been a lot of blind eyes to this one.

What's fascinating is the issue that something like 90% of the public (YouGov survey last year) don't think under 18s should be medically transitioned. I suspect those numbers are going to decline. The ONLY group that is notably different on those figures is those closest to a trans relative. I've spoken about the pressure and fear of none compliance with cults. Cults don't just evaporate overnight. It takes a long time to deprogramme and to break free from the emotional abuse they carry.

With numbers of children transitioning dropping away because the trend has passed, it opens up a future issue for this group and the older male transitioners who had uses kids as props to legitimise their own transition. This means the potential for a public backlash for an emerging medical scandal is absolutely HUGE.

The only thing currently stopping that is those who have enabled it in schools and the NHS don't want to get caught in that blow back. But the numbers mean I find it hard to believe it won't happen. Instead you'll see a lot of reverse ferrets and denial that they were ever supportive - "they were just following orders".

What we see history with regime change, even extreme regime change, is that the state effectively continues to be run by the same people albeit with some high level scalps to prove that 'everything has changed'. But frankly thats bullshit. To use the example of Nazi Germany (simply because it's the example people know best; the same phenomena occurs throughout the world and throughout history) - there were a huge number of enthusiastic Nazis who suddenly had miraculously 'disappeared' from German society by even the mid 1960s. They hadn't died. They still were around in all levels of German society. They hadn't been replaced by a cool new youth or a progressive underground who had been in hiding during the war. It just was something that wasn't mentioned internally, it's this repressed German guilt (which many argue was passed onto the next generation and was part of Merkel's drive to embrace refugees). So being realistic, I think this is likely what we will see - a whole pile of people effectively getting massively slopey shoulders and saying "well I never REALLY believed that, I just had no choice because otherwise I'd lose my job and wouldn't be able to feed my kids, that's why I promoted the idea, deeply scolded anyone who challenged what I was doing and actively went NC with anyone who was openly GC". We all know it's bullshit, but then we knew that the idea you could change sex was equally bullshit.

The one that's most concerning though is these late transitioning males. They often have come from particularly masculine backgrounds. There is an overrepresentation of ex-servicemen and men from occupations which have been heavily dominated by men and toxic masculinity. There's an argument here that for some it's a manifestation of PTSD - 'being a woman' allows them to show emotions that they've been taught are feminine and told they have to hide as a man. For others it's just more toxic masculinity and incelism. These men are also particularly dangerous for a number of reasons. We know there are higher rates of domestic violence in ex-servicemen and we know that domestic violence is a known early red flag for terrorism. This should be ringing some alarm bells. We know there's a growing problem with incelism and it's about time we all realised that transincelism is real and a threat.

I see that Bash Back are starting to get noticed for all the wrong reasons. The trouble is, without the kids, there adult men run out of arguments to legitimise themselves very quickly.

Here's a thought for future planners - what happens when we've converted all these toilets for the benefit of a new generation of trans children who never materialise? We can already see that numbers are going to fall off a cliff. In ten years time is there going to be the same social pressure to 'be inclusive' of these men when the bottom falls out the children's market, the detransitioners start to speak out and the medical scandal unfolds even more? That's why they know they have to push hard and intimidate now.

Every Sandie Peggie type case doesn't help either. The outcome is either to recognise the batshittery outright or have a backlash which stands up to the batshittery.

There are a lot of people still completing unaware of how much resentment and how much anger has built up due to them trying to uphold lies and holding simplistic black and white and rather ignorant beliefs because they think they are progressive. Their own tone deafness is still a sight to behold and that also worries me, because for many, when the whole thing does collapse under the weight of its own bullshit (and it will) it will be all the more bewildering for them. And I think it will probably collapse quicker than people anticipate but also almost invisibly as people reverse ferret very quickly swearing blind they've always been gender critical. And probably actually also believing what they say, in many cases.

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Once it collapses, the ENTIRE blame for this fetishised Men's Rights Movement will be shifted onto feminism, so it's not a thing I look forward to (baaaa waaaaah women were so mean they had said gender is a performance wuuuu wuuuuh).

Also, I feel that what comes after this will be more chilling and degenerated. The fifty-year-old, balding, grey-haired linebackers with hands like shovels who dress up as pornified school girls in miny skirts, and who insist on gynaecologist appointments, might disappear (my GC "treats" one, don't judge me), but a lot of "regular" men also seem to have realised that the genie is out of the bottle and is never going back in.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 29/12/2025 23:14

RavelsDancer · 29/12/2025 23:10

Once it collapses, the ENTIRE blame for this fetishised Men's Rights Movement will be shifted onto feminism, so it's not a thing I look forward to (baaaa waaaaah women were so mean they had said gender is a performance wuuuu wuuuuh).

Also, I feel that what comes after this will be more chilling and degenerated. The fifty-year-old, balding, grey-haired linebackers with hands like shovels who dress up as pornified school girls in miny skirts, and who insist on gynaecologist appointments, might disappear (my GC "treats" one, don't judge me), but a lot of "regular" men also seem to have realised that the genie is out of the bottle and is never going back in.

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the ENTIRE blame for this fetishised Men's Rights Movement will be shifted onto feminism

Rule One, innit. The handmaidens have played right into that.

Also, I feel that what comes after this will be more chilling and degenerated.

Like what? Most of what I'm seeing from men is a pushback against the idea that DD might have to change in front of her male schoolfellows and other such sensible stuff, which is anything but degenerated.

colouringindoors · 29/12/2025 23:16

ProfessorRizz · 28/12/2025 13:43

I’ve taught for 20 years. Edit: in secondary schools 😅

First decade: one trans child, had an EHCP (then ‘statement of special needs’), barely coping in mainstream, born girl but insisted on boy. I now wonder if he might have had a genetic disorder which involved an element of DSD (was from another culture, possibly born in a non-Western country). Everyone accepted that this child would live as the opposite sex, probably permanently.

Second decade: countless ‘trans’ children, all autistic, every single one. Trans was an outward manifestation of inner distress and ‘not belonging’, especially present in (but not limited to) autistic teenage girls. Some have gone on to have gender-affirming ‘surgery’.

Entering my third decade of teaching, I’m seeing the dying embers. One or two sixth formers still insisting on opposite sex names (both autistic) but almost no presentation in Y7-11. It feels like a (wrong) solution to a problem we still haven’t worked out how to solve (how to help autistic children with interoceptive distress and bodily change).

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Those autistic teenagers are now my DDs age, and she, like many ASD, gay young women are now having mastectomies on the NHS despite Cass et al. It's horrendous.

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