Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

[PinkTreeFrog]

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

UK and US:

Canada and New Zealand:

None of that is relevant to what I have said. The basic form of homophobia (they're perverted!, it's unnatural!, it's dangerous!, they want to indoctrinate our kids with their gay ideology!) is carrying through to the transphobic ideology that we see today.

If a random gay man or other people on the internet happen to be transphobic, it doesn't change that.

Except the Trans Ideology is targeting (mainly autistic) children, and encouraging gay children to chemically sterilise themselves. It is actually happening. That's the truth. Where it wasn't with the gay community.

I asked for peer reviewed studies and official statistics. You have given screenshots with no indication of where they came from.

Do you understand why I asked for official, verifiable facts? It's very easy to be taken in by infographics, but that doesn't mean they are actually accurate or are presenting statistics in a responsible way. It's easy to believe things we already believe, and easy to not actually check facts when the information given supports our view.

Can you give any actual, accurate facts (that aren't screenshots of tweets)?

Did you even look at the screenshots? It SAYS on them EXACTLY where they're from!!!

I'm autistic. It didn't happen to me. Should we also take that as evidence?

Humour me, where are they from?

I don't see any journals or official stats, but maybe I've missed it.

Let's ignore the stats that show a big proportion of TIMs in US women's jails are sex offenders.

Islam teaches the hijab is optional and after puberty so what you’re describing are cultural and familial differences not religious teachings.

If a woman is being forced it’s men using religion as a tool of oppression similar to the use of Christianity to erode women’s rights in the US or Catholicism used to inflict reproductive abuse on women.

Muslims are not are monolith similar to Christianity, Judaism or Catholicism there are cultural differences. Men use religion, money, violence, shame and whatever else they can to oppress women.

You can see a head scarf to identify a Muslim hijabi but you don’t know how many women don’t wear the hijab but are practicing Muslims? There’s multiple women on this thread that have echoed this.

The Christian practices in the US mega churches are cultural and unlike the Christianity in the UK. A lot of people in this thread seem incapable of making that distinction culture and religion are different.

...but it doesn't follow that transgender people in the general population are more likely to be sex offenders.

That's because trans sex offenders are male sex offenders, offending at precisely the same rate as men...because they are men.
That's just one of many reasons they have no right to be in women's spaces, women offending at way lower rated than men.

I personally think you are extremely racist and Islamophobic. And I think you are in the wrong and your husband is not. Probably you should leave him, to give him a better chance to live with someone less phobic.

I think you need glasses. They are all in print at the bottom of the images, bar Canada. Here I have highlighted the data (even URL LINKS written on them!) in a purple or green box on each.

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Islam teaches the hijab is optional and after puberty

That is not what Islamic scholars say. They say it is compulsory. Are they lying?

Some men commit sexual crimes so they are kept out of women spaces. Its a blanket policy to exclude all men, sexual predators or not. Transwomen are men so the exclusion still applies. Transwomen are saying they 'feel' like a woman so they aren't a threat. Doesn't work like that. Dave down the road, probably doesn't feel like he wants to commit sexual crimes either but that doesn't mean he can come in because all men are excluded

Yes, they have links in them. Links to websites which are already ideologically predisposed to a certain opinion. These graphics are not necessarily factual information.

To ensure that information is factual you need to be sure of the source, which is why I asked for peer reviewed studies or official statistics (which these are not).

If you take information from a biased source, you need to be sure of where THEY have got their information from, and be sure that they are presenting it in an accurate and responsible way. You appear to have no way of verifying this information, and no wish to.

As appealing as the information in these pictures is to you, it doesn't appear to be verified or factual.

There are many Islamic scholars and they do not all say the same thing.

That’s the problem with religion - the different man made interpretations.

All scholars, or some? If only some, why do you feel that viewpoint overrides the majority?

The sources are prison data! And census. Are you really saying the Department of Corrections is 'biased'? The census is 'biased'?

Be honest here; you banked on us women not having the receipts and your question was not genuine, it was not in good faith. Now you are flailing about, desperately trying to claim it's some conspiracy by the PRISON DEPARTMENT. 🙄 You simply refuse to believe it and are making up excuses why the trajectory over not one but four (4) countries is the same.

Are you equally disturbed by orthodox jewish women who cover their hair?

The E&W one is based on the number of “trans women” as self declared in the 2021 census as the men who identify as women population. It’s not a figure the website made up. The sex offenders in prison figure comes from a government report. The male figure is the adult male population compared to the number of male sex offenders in prison. They are all based on official figures whether you want to deny it or not.

I am ethnically Indian. I grew up in Malaysia a majority Muslim country and retain a number of Muslim female friends. Islam like all religions can be used to oppress women, but there are also Christian and indeed Hindu groups which can be misogynistic and homophobic. The vast majority of Muslims I know do not fall into this category and most Muslim women living in Muslim communities do not feel oppressed and seeing head covering as some form of massive abuse seems very odd indeed. I think we need to focus more on tolerance and inclusion rather than looking for things that might divide us.

Orthodox Jews account for around 1 in 7 of Jewish people worldwide. Admittedly this proportion is growing due to their relatively far higher birth rate. But this still means that today, the large majority of Jewish women (and girls) do not cover their hair.

Most people, I strongly believe, have the same response to an orthodox Jewish woman covering her hair as to a Muslim woman. Some won't care, or even strongly approve. But many will see both as evidence of a male misogynistic and controlling religious-based practice.