Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

[PinkTreeFrog]

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

Your neighbors form the social fabric. They are friends, potential partners, teachers, voters. Of course it matters what values they hold. I just want to ensure they are not anti-female.

You misunderstand.
Her daughter isn't getting an abortion this very moment or even pregnant. but as she's in a red state, if she did get pregnant, abortion is illegal except in certain circumstances. My point was that there are plenty of people of every religion who hate women too. And certainly in the US, evangelical Christians are way more powerful.

They don't care.

Well I live in a community with a high Jewish population. Many of my neighbours wear head coverings and the girls from a young age are dressed in long skirts and long sleeved tops. They might live their lives by misogynistic rules but we still chit chat and we still look out for each other (and I note you still say nothing about how you feel about Jewish men).

Their different faith and way of life does not affect me and we can still be neighbourly.

Looks like the issue isn’t your Muslim neighbours but rather you deciding you know what your neighbours believe just because someone wears the hijab.

I agree with OP. I couldn’t live with a misogynist or someone who condoned misogyny.

I’m more leftwing than DH, who is more of a liberal. But I had nothing against liberals until they all lost the plot and started spouting TWAW.

Even more perplexingly, my former leftie comrades have largely gone the same way. (Why? How can you espouse socialism while supporting such an antisocial creed? How can you call for collective action while supporting individuals who insist that society has to centre their personal demands?)

Luckily my DH recognises biological reality and supports women’s rights. I suspect a lot of my friends are cautious about challenging the trans creed, or Islamism, because their children would be shocked.

I am in this position. I dont engage. I wouldn't divorce over this but I would if he tried to force his views on me. He's a member of the Green Party ( for Palestine etc issues, not particularly deep into environmentalist) not bothered about gender issues . I have said I'd never vote Green because of this. He hasnt pushed it because I think he just doesn't care enough about it. It does chip away though when someone is so deeply entrenched in this stuff when you have different views.

I think the OP is getting a raw deal here. Personally I see a difference between Islam (the religion) and Islamism (the political ideology) But also, in terms of women, a Christian woman can stop being a Christian. You can’t say that for all faiths. It would mean death for some women.

OP I couldn’t be with someone gullible enough to swallow all the current ‘trendy’ ideology without questioning it.

You sound Islamophobia

OP doesn't speak for all of us, I just see people when I see women wearing hijabs, they cover their hair, I don't. I don't automatically think that they must be being forced either.
Also no idea what a sanctuary city is 😕

Get a grip, love. Im muslim and we dont call women who dnt wear hijab haram, come on. Its important in our faith yes, but doesn't mean that because my non Muslim family and friends dont wear then I then think they're utter scum.

Women have rights in islam.and men and women are equal.
Women were given the right to vote 1400 years avo and great Britain only allowed the women of this country to vote only what 80/90 years ago because we didn't have the same brain to vote as a man and we're arrested for wanting to vote

Whatever pigs in Afghanistan or wherever view woman as less and prohibit them from getting a job or education has nothing to do with the rest of us. They are slimeballs and thats a fact.

being critical of Islam/the wearing of a niquab/hijab etc isn’t islamophobic. It’s almost impossible to have this discussion, especially with the hard left ,without being accused of islamophobia. Calling someone islamophobic carries the same weight as being called transphobic these days. Ie. it’s utterly meaningless. It’s a protected space. You can criticise christianity or hinduism as much as you like, but woe betide the person who takes issue with islam.

Op, if you have issued with hijab its quite possible that your great grandmother wore one.
We are not forced to wear one. The quran says there is no compulsion and no forcing in islam.
Men are also required not to show their stomach or wear shorts that go above the knee. Men also are not allowed to wear gold, red and silk. But I can wear gold, red and silk should I wish too.
I also have the rights to all my husbands money and not have to work and he has zero access to my money.

Define that. And the difference between Islam and Islamist. You should be allowed to criticise political ideology.

They won’t view her hair as haram because she isn’t a Muslim.

Id struggle to be married to someone who is so ignorant about something they have strong opinions on the way you are tbh.

Men are taught to lower their gaze and look down regardless if shes in hijab, burka, headwrap, long skirt or skirt skirt.

If a man insults a woman on what she is wearing hes the problem.

Possible suitors????
You do know that muslim men marry Christian women, Jewish women and other Muslim ladies. And several are happy. The quran says the best of you are best to your woman.

I don’t think people really believe that if you support the Palestinian people in their struggle against their oppressors this means you are pro-Islam. This would be a ridiculous non-sequitur. This line is just a tactic to try to damage support for the Palestinians and to defend Israel.

This assumes that Muslim women have no agency in deciding to wear a hijab or not. Which is paternalistic?

its fine to be against forced covering but blanket assumption that Muslim women have to agency is bizarre.

i assume you feel the same about Hasidim?

I’m actually embarrassed for you OP.
You sound chronically online and distressed over made up scenarios involving Muslims.

The hijab is optional.

A lot of Muslim women don’t wear the hijab so you wouldn’t know they’re Muslim unless they told you.

What about Jewish women or nuns?

Go outside and touch some grass. It’s Christmas Day.

Yes, a lot of non Muslims stand up for Palestine as an ethical view point. Even before I became Muslim years and years ago, I thought it was horrendous.

Yeah, I have muslim sisters who dont wear it. I dont judge them. They're my sister regardless. Its what in her heart and her mind that matters.

I 100% agree with this. My dh is Muslim. His family is full of strong, successful, high achieving women, some of whom are veiled. I am so sick of the generalisations about Muslim attitudes towards women. I know lots of white men from Christian backgrounds who are misogynistic arseholes.

Well ur certainly not wearing it so why become sad with something you dont wear.
You are making assumptions that we are forced to wear and our husbands superglue to it our heads before pummelling it into us that we are haram sluts without it. Hahaha.

What about nuns, they look fab dont you think

Really good points @frogbear and @Jsmill

But OP is essentially saying she has a problem with all Muslims because some Muslims are misogynistic, and she doesn’t want her daughter to have any Muslim friends. That’s not discussing the hijab, that’s an example of prejudice right there. And that should be challenged.

Funnily, on her other thread she explained that she’s the one that’s changed and has become more Republican, yet doesn’t see that by doing so, she is the one supporting a movement that is stripping away women’s rights in the US.