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Has anyone left their spouse over GC views / pro-Islam stance

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 13:47

Husband and I could never find common ground on gender critical views and his blindness to the harms of Islam to women. He has an inability to take in information that contradicts his world view. Has anyone left a spouse over this?

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RedTagAlan · 25/12/2025 15:37

Greyskybluesky · 25/12/2025 15:34

@RedTagAlan why do you keep asking the OP if she's in the US? You've asked three times now.

Because many posters are asking what a sanctuary city is, and OP won't say. It's a US thing, so am trying to tease it out. That's all.

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 15:39

I don’t think OP will be coming back to this thread. She’s started a new one but this time removed any reference to Islam, I suspect probably because she can’t answer why she doesn’t like all Muslim men and only Muslim men.

goody2shooz · 25/12/2025 15:41

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 15:13

I am deeply unsettled by the headscarf no matter the context.

I find this puzzling. Why does a cloth covering a Muslim woman’s hair upset you so? Does it upset you to see Jewish women or Catholic women who also cover their hair?

Holdonforsummer · 25/12/2025 15:44

It is so interesting that people who think they are defending freedoms sometimes come across as the most bigoted. I think the OP’s husband may be happier (and be more free to think liberally) without her.

geminicancerean · 25/12/2025 15:44

My DH and I are aligned on these things, I think this sort of thing is the kind of stuff you try to sniff out early in a relationship - though I suppose people can change (not very often IME). I’ve worked in places with a predominantly Muslim workforce - honestly never had an issue with it. I know many hijab wearing women that kick ass and have no issue standing up for themselves. I have close friends who are trans.

I‘m able to reply to you here with civility, even though we appear to be opposite ends of a spectrum. I accept your right to hold your views. I’m not sure, from reading your replies here, that you feel similarly.

soupyspoon · 25/12/2025 15:46

RedTagAlan · 25/12/2025 15:37

Because many posters are asking what a sanctuary city is, and OP won't say. It's a US thing, so am trying to tease it out. That's all.

Well so what. The basic question is the basic question. Doesnt matter where you live really.

DollarsSign · 25/12/2025 15:48

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 15:02

How do I communicate that the boys are not potential friends or future suitors? That they view her uncovered hair as haram?

Again, you’re making a sweeping generalisation about Muslim men and boys. Treating them as if they’re incapable of respectful, normal interaction with women is both inaccurate and harmful.

It’s that kind of thinking that reinforces division and mistrust.

Agreed. I dislike extreme and repressive versions of Islam, I’ve had many Muslim friends over the years.

They’ve been from many countries and different sects.

Several have been gay, eat bacon, have sex outside of marriage, don’t wear any head covering. Others take their prayer seriously and follow their beliefs strongly. There’s quite a spectrum.

Those who are willing to be friends with other religions / non-religious people are not the problem.

It’s a bit bizarre to ward off people who are actually trying to be part of western society and are tolerant and open-minded.

What does that achieve other the creating divides?

TheSeventh · 25/12/2025 15:54

If I lived in the USA I'd be more worried about the white, Christian men with all the power who are actually taking away women's rights, rather than a small minority group with no ability to enact any change at all.

RedTagAlan · 25/12/2025 15:58

soupyspoon · 25/12/2025 15:46

Well so what. The basic question is the basic question. Doesnt matter where you live really.

I think it does, and I have said why on the other thread.

Because UK politics have more overlap than in the US. Labour and the Tories still share core policies. The NHS for example. The US don't. There is a much bigger gap between US progressives than with MAGA. Pretty much no overlap at all.

So while I can see a UK Labour/Tory couple managing fine, I am not so sure about the same in the US.

Do you see what I mean ? And do you agree ?

Screamingabdabz · 25/12/2025 16:04

goody2shooz · 25/12/2025 15:41

I find this puzzling. Why does a cloth covering a Muslim woman’s hair upset you so? Does it upset you to see Jewish women or Catholic women who also cover their hair?

You’re right of course it’s ‘just’ a piece of cloth and yet men of the same faith are not compelled to cover themselves. Why one rule for women? I think we know the answer. And it’s not about piety or scripture or holy writ. It’s about unholy misogynistic ideas of why women are expected to present as ‘modest’.

Op - leave him. Any male who thinks women are ‘less’ cannot be reconciled or reasonable.

soupyspoon · 25/12/2025 16:08

RedTagAlan · 25/12/2025 15:58

I think it does, and I have said why on the other thread.

Because UK politics have more overlap than in the US. Labour and the Tories still share core policies. The NHS for example. The US don't. There is a much bigger gap between US progressives than with MAGA. Pretty much no overlap at all.

So while I can see a UK Labour/Tory couple managing fine, I am not so sure about the same in the US.

Do you see what I mean ? And do you agree ?

I dont agree because OP seems to be asking specifically about misogynistic views within a cultural setting in which she lives rather than a political system itself. So it makes no odds where in the world that is.

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 16:08

Screamingabdabz · 25/12/2025 16:04

You’re right of course it’s ‘just’ a piece of cloth and yet men of the same faith are not compelled to cover themselves. Why one rule for women? I think we know the answer. And it’s not about piety or scripture or holy writ. It’s about unholy misogynistic ideas of why women are expected to present as ‘modest’.

Op - leave him. Any male who thinks women are ‘less’ cannot be reconciled or reasonable.

Except seeing as OP has an issue with only Islam and not other religions with misogynistic practices, it doesn’t sound as simple as her husband seeing women as less and more OP having an issue with her husband not disliking Islam to the same extent.

Holluschickie · 25/12/2025 16:12

My sister lives in the US and currently it's old white men with 'western values' standing in the way of her daughter getting an abortion, not women in hijabs.

RedTagAlan · 25/12/2025 16:12

soupyspoon · 25/12/2025 16:08

I dont agree because OP seems to be asking specifically about misogynistic views within a cultural setting in which she lives rather than a political system itself. So it makes no odds where in the world that is.

Fair enough. I do think it is worth seeking more info though, about more general politics or single issue.

friendlylurker · 25/12/2025 16:23

As a muslim hijabi woman (who like all muslims has relatives who do not wear hijab) this thread is hilarious. Don't worry, none of the boys in your neighborhood want your darling daughter or have time to think about any of your heads.

You are the one assuming we hold prejudices when nobody gives a toss about your hair.

soupyspoon · 25/12/2025 16:27

friendlylurker · 25/12/2025 16:23

As a muslim hijabi woman (who like all muslims has relatives who do not wear hijab) this thread is hilarious. Don't worry, none of the boys in your neighborhood want your darling daughter or have time to think about any of your heads.

You are the one assuming we hold prejudices when nobody gives a toss about your hair.

This seems an ironic post

Why would none of the boys in OPs neighbour 'want' her daughter? Why not?

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 16:28

It’s also unclear to me why being pro-Palestine is taken as being pro-Islam. You can be against the indiscriminate killing of people regardless of what faith they are.

Bringemout · 25/12/2025 16:30

I would struggle with someone who couldn’t understand my fears for women and what the leads to in terms of my stance on religion or culture. I would think they are ignorant and disinterested.

friendlylurker · 25/12/2025 16:31

soupyspoon · 25/12/2025 16:27

This seems an ironic post

Why would none of the boys in OPs neighbour 'want' her daughter? Why not?

Its not ironic, its the truth. She's getting worked up over imaginary scenarios and generalising the people who live in her neighborhood.

Like I said, people have more going on in their brains than what their neighbors wear or do not wear.

friendlylurker · 25/12/2025 16:32

And your lumping in of palestine here- yeah, okay. Nice try babes.

PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 16:50

Frogbear · 25/12/2025 15:39

I don’t think OP will be coming back to this thread. She’s started a new one but this time removed any reference to Islam, I suspect probably because she can’t answer why she doesn’t like all Muslim men and only Muslim men.

No - it is because the question is about leaving a spouse for having views that I find harmful to women. This thread has become sidetracked by the Islam issue, which can take days and pages to unpack fully.

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 16:53

Holluschickie · 25/12/2025 16:12

My sister lives in the US and currently it's old white men with 'western values' standing in the way of her daughter getting an abortion, not women in hijabs.

Why is her daughter getting an abortion? Who is standing in her way? Where is the father of the child?

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 16:54

friendlylurker · 25/12/2025 16:23

As a muslim hijabi woman (who like all muslims has relatives who do not wear hijab) this thread is hilarious. Don't worry, none of the boys in your neighborhood want your darling daughter or have time to think about any of your heads.

You are the one assuming we hold prejudices when nobody gives a toss about your hair.

May I ask why you wear the hijab and your thoughts on women who don't?

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PinkTreeFrog · 25/12/2025 16:55

Screamingabdabz · 25/12/2025 16:04

You’re right of course it’s ‘just’ a piece of cloth and yet men of the same faith are not compelled to cover themselves. Why one rule for women? I think we know the answer. And it’s not about piety or scripture or holy writ. It’s about unholy misogynistic ideas of why women are expected to present as ‘modest’.

Op - leave him. Any male who thinks women are ‘less’ cannot be reconciled or reasonable.

Thank you for that. I plan to serve the divorce papers. It's just unfortunate.

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