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Brigitte Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance

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lcakethereforeIam · 18/12/2025 20:55

I'm not sure if there's anything new here though

Phillipson blocks trans guidance after landmark Supreme Court ruling https://share.google/P91PBE5Cy4ROwsdA1

It's a very stark article in the Telegraph.

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1984Now · 22/12/2025 17:51

I mean, there were crickets and tumbleweed when the expose of The Tavistock was released, static when WPATH Files were leaked, lukewarm emotions when Sturgeon folded Scottish gender self ID and fell on her sword, muted tones when the SC ruling came in.
I don't mean from GCs like us, and independent principled free thinkers, we all applauded what we thought were massive milestones on the way to reinstalling reality and rationality at the heart of public discourse and policy.
I'm talking about the great mass of opinion makers and commentators and installed elites, who ensured none of these milestones would amount to finally pushing the boulder to the top of the mountain.
Not even the fallout over Lia Thomas and especially Imane Khelif, not even a male boxer clubbing one female after another absolutely pushed things on.
The great mass of media and opinion would not coalesce to locking back to non insanity.
And now, maybe the most objective measure to test the great mass of media and opinion, and elites attitudes, whether a clear cut SC ruling should be followed unambiguously, as soon as possible, the silence and reluctance is palpable.
I'm not sure it gets worse than this.

sweetsardineface · 22/12/2025 18:04

Starmer doesn’t have the luxury of hanging about. If he had a vision, he would have revealed it by now. WTF does ‘national renewal’ mean? His every move reveals a man horribly out of his depth and unable to control his party, his narrative and his parliamentary agenda.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/12/2025 18:12

ItsCoolForCats · 22/12/2025 15:28

The problem with talking about safeguarding (even though it is a safeguarding problem) is that then we will be accused of saying all trans people are predators when it's "cis men" that are the problem 🙄. And they'll say that that transwomen need to be safeguarded against cis men too.

There's a rule of misogyny for that, gimme
a mo. ⏳ Ok, there's two.

we will be accused of saying all trans people are predators when it's "cis men" that are the problem

Rule Twelve: Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

Self-fellating Ouroboros Of Hate's Corollary to Rule Twelve: Women’s ability to recognise that male behavior patterns persist in trans-identifying males is transphobia.

they'll say that that transwomen need to be safeguarded against cis men too

Rule Eleven: Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.

TheBewilderness is a genius, compiling that list.

ILoveLaLaLand · 22/12/2025 18:14

1984Now · 22/12/2025 00:13

200% this.
Imagine announcing measures to teach boys not to be misogynists to reassure girls while on the same day ignoring the law of the land that would prevent boys being allowed into their toilets and changing rooms.
The cognitive dissonance is off the scale.

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Allowing men into women only spaces is legalizing predatory behaviour.
Only predatory men enter women only spaces.
They do so because forcing women to comply against their will is what sexually arouses these men.
They are social rapists.

Everyone who goes along with this is an active enabler and that includes all politicians regardless of their political persuasion or sex.
The women who go along with this for their career in politics are traitors to all other women but in particular, to the most vulnerable women in society.

The people pretending this group of men are the most vulnerable people on the planet are lying through their teeth, we know it, they know it, the dogs in the street know it.

moto748e · 22/12/2025 18:25

ILoveLaLaLand · 22/12/2025 18:14

Allowing men into women only spaces is legalizing predatory behaviour.
Only predatory men enter women only spaces.
They do so because forcing women to comply against their will is what sexually arouses these men.
They are social rapists.

Everyone who goes along with this is an active enabler and that includes all politicians regardless of their political persuasion or sex.
The women who go along with this for their career in politics are traitors to all other women but in particular, to the most vulnerable women in society.

The people pretending this group of men are the most vulnerable people on the planet are lying through their teeth, we know it, they know it, the dogs in the street know it.

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Those are exactly the words that I want to hear from MPs. I want to see people standing up in the HoC and saying just that.

ILoveLaLaLand · 22/12/2025 18:27

ItsCoolForCats · 22/12/2025 17:25

He did another video recently where he claimed he has used women's toilets 900 times in the past year. And apparently women have encouraged him to do so. And if you say anything...then something about the patriarchy.

These men think they can do what they want, and they are emboldened by the spineless position adopted by Bridget Phillipson.

https://x.com/i/status/2000034346288234963

These men need to be told by psychiatrists that they have a porn addiction and like alcohol for alcoholics, the only cure is complete abstinence.

Tunnockstester · 22/12/2025 18:30

Transwomen want to use women's toilets etc but what do the Transmen want? It seems to me that the transgender people related to the politicians and media luvvies are mostly girls/women wanting to be transmen, do they really want to use men's toilets? Do their parents really want them to do that given the disgusting state men often leave loos in?
Imagine wanting to be the sex that leaves loos in that state.

Keeptoiletssafe · 22/12/2025 18:44

Tunnockstester · 22/12/2025 18:30

Transwomen want to use women's toilets etc but what do the Transmen want? It seems to me that the transgender people related to the politicians and media luvvies are mostly girls/women wanting to be transmen, do they really want to use men's toilets? Do their parents really want them to do that given the disgusting state men often leave loos in?
Imagine wanting to be the sex that leaves loos in that state.

From my research transmen want mixed sex (gender neutral) toilets. Interestingly the parents of transmen also want mixed sex toilets for their children. However, when given what they want, they then sometimes revert back to using the women’s as the mixed sex are ‘horrible’ ‘disgusting’.

ILoveLaLaLand · 22/12/2025 19:24

Tunnockstester · 22/12/2025 18:30

Transwomen want to use women's toilets etc but what do the Transmen want? It seems to me that the transgender people related to the politicians and media luvvies are mostly girls/women wanting to be transmen, do they really want to use men's toilets? Do their parents really want them to do that given the disgusting state men often leave loos in?
Imagine wanting to be the sex that leaves loos in that state.

The women who want to be beta males are often lesbians who just want to be straight in a straight world, autistic or survivors of childhood sexual abuse. They are being groomed online and offline by activist teachers, social workers and men with a fetish who view them as useful idiots to get what they want: sexual gratification in the public sphere and in women only spaces.
All these men need to keep their sexual fetishes in the bedroom and stop imposing them on the rest of the public.

It's a form of sexual gratification without consent.

1984Now · 23/12/2025 08:23

GallantKumquat · 22/12/2025 17:33

Narcissism is a virtual requirement to be a politician, so I don't consider its presence a demerit. It's also a mistake to think that narcissism == cynicism or nihilism - the narcissist usually has a super abundance of hates and loves and sees themselves as having a special star to battle the former and promote the later. There's also a tendency to attribute cynicism or nihilism to contemporary politicians as a kind of general partisan put down, i.e. the politician is only pretending to care about things but only desires power - I'm very sceptical of this line of reasoning - it was invoked against Attlee, Willson, Blair, and Brown. In retrospect it's hard to imagine those accusations as being seriously entertained as each of them clearly thought they were engaging in epoch shaping political projects - sometimes successfully and sometimes ones that resulted in failure.

Starmer would be a very unusual politician indeed if he were simply a mechanical apparatus responding to stimulus in order to maximise personal power. And on its face not a very good one, at least so far as the last year has gone, but maybe it's too early to judge.

I tend to think that as time goes by and the intensity of individual battles fades Starmer's true political orientation and grand vision will become clearer, and (like Attlee, Willson, Blair, and Brown) it will become apparent that, when properly interpreted, it can be deduced from his actions and things that he's said all along. But I have to admit that my intense revulsion of Starmer's premiership so far makes that analysis disconcertingly difficult for me.

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There will be no grand vision of Starmer revealed. The only reason he's in No. 10 is that he didn't go to any parties and eat any cake during lockdown.

Slothtoes · 23/12/2025 08:32

Raquelos · 18/12/2025 21:10

Thank you for the archive link. This is outrageous. Really shocking and unMinsiterial behaviour for a minister to delay expert advice like this. she’s basically saying everyone can just ignore the bits of the law that she personally doesn’t like. That is a massive abuse of personal power and should be a sackable offence.

Please let’s all write to our MPs and to her copying in Kier Starmer to complain.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 23/12/2025 08:44

Delaying elections. Ignoring law. Now stuffing the EHRC with stooges to try and force the law to say something it does to wreck women and gay rights.

This lot just need to go, they are not salvageable.

1984Now · 23/12/2025 08:56

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 23/12/2025 08:44

Delaying elections. Ignoring law. Now stuffing the EHRC with stooges to try and force the law to say something it does to wreck women and gay rights.

This lot just need to go, they are not salvageable.

Boris Johnson now looks like a paragon of virtue and defender of democracy if you compare him to Starmer.
As all of this makes a Reform victory more likely in 2029, and Farage executes his version of "extra-Parliamentary" policies, Labour will have no position of virtue or moral high ground to stand on.
Starmer cancelled local elections, he decided on votes for 16-17s despite this not being in his manifesto, and the number one advocate of Rule Of Law ignored this over the SC ruling.
Just why should Farage demonstrate any more virtue than Labour, when he bends civic institutions to his will in carrying out his pledges to Detain And Deport illegals, mass deport illegals already here?
If Labour and the left elites holler and scream after 2029 that Farage is a petty tyrant, he can always point to Starmer cancelling elections and ignoring the law of the land re the SC ruling.

Slothtoes · 23/12/2025 09:06

No. Sorry. A stopped clock can tell the right time twice a day and the points about Labour being a huge let down here is well made. But Farage is an unprincipled self serving shit and he will fuck women’s and girls rights and gay rights from an absolute height. I would be bloody terrified if he gets in and so should all women be.
And it was Boris’ (and Liz’s and Rushi’s and Keni’s party) that proposed self ID as government policy under Theresa May so you really can’t say they were better than this lot.
No party has got this right because they’re all culturally sexist and homophobic, but the party most respecting of democratic institutions is the safest and freest one to live under as our government and that is definitely not ever going to be Reform FFS.

nicepotoftea · 23/12/2025 09:22

1984Now · 23/12/2025 08:56

Boris Johnson now looks like a paragon of virtue and defender of democracy if you compare him to Starmer.
As all of this makes a Reform victory more likely in 2029, and Farage executes his version of "extra-Parliamentary" policies, Labour will have no position of virtue or moral high ground to stand on.
Starmer cancelled local elections, he decided on votes for 16-17s despite this not being in his manifesto, and the number one advocate of Rule Of Law ignored this over the SC ruling.
Just why should Farage demonstrate any more virtue than Labour, when he bends civic institutions to his will in carrying out his pledges to Detain And Deport illegals, mass deport illegals already here?
If Labour and the left elites holler and scream after 2029 that Farage is a petty tyrant, he can always point to Starmer cancelling elections and ignoring the law of the land re the SC ruling.

Boris Johnson now looks like a paragon of virtue and defender of democracy if you compare him to Starmer.

At least the prorogation of parliament happened before the Supreme Court found it to be unlawful, and Johnson has no formal legal expertise.

Starmer's government seem to be trying to subvert the SC decision after the fact, and Starmer was Director of Public Prosecutions.

If he can't even be the responsible law abiding alternative, what is the point of him?

HardyCrow · 23/12/2025 09:28

plantcomplex · 22/12/2025 15:40

There's always another baseless accusation in response to anything we do or say.

And some of them are as evidenced by the significantly higher proportion of Tim’s incarcerated for rape and sexual harassment.

1984Now · 23/12/2025 09:31

Slothtoes · 23/12/2025 09:06

No. Sorry. A stopped clock can tell the right time twice a day and the points about Labour being a huge let down here is well made. But Farage is an unprincipled self serving shit and he will fuck women’s and girls rights and gay rights from an absolute height. I would be bloody terrified if he gets in and so should all women be.
And it was Boris’ (and Liz’s and Rushi’s and Keni’s party) that proposed self ID as government policy under Theresa May so you really can’t say they were better than this lot.
No party has got this right because they’re all culturally sexist and homophobic, but the party most respecting of democratic institutions is the safest and freest one to live under as our government and that is definitely not ever going to be Reform FFS.

Hey, I'm not a Reform voter, just commenting on what I observe.
I see there were the same fears you predict re Reform ahead of a Trump victory, and all that's happened is that his presidency has seriously stopped the Genderwang in it's tracks, Title IX isn't the issue it was, Trump's declaration on the Olympics has forced a reversal on men in women's sports, gays are under no threat.

1984Now · 23/12/2025 09:34

nicepotoftea · 23/12/2025 09:22

Boris Johnson now looks like a paragon of virtue and defender of democracy if you compare him to Starmer.

At least the prorogation of parliament happened before the Supreme Court found it to be unlawful, and Johnson has no formal legal expertise.

Starmer's government seem to be trying to subvert the SC decision after the fact, and Starmer was Director of Public Prosecutions.

If he can't even be the responsible law abiding alternative, what is the point of him?

All I know is that in a Top Trumps game, cancelling local elections and ignoring a SC ruling Trumps partygate and prorogueing Parliament.

Keeptoiletssafe · 23/12/2025 09:35

When men are sentenced for sexual assaults in toilets (it’s always men), I have noticed the sentencing says they are not to go near women’s toilets. There was at least one that said unisex toilets too. If everything is unisex, that shows another problem.

edit to add quote:
‘He is banned from entering female and unisex public toilets for 15 years.’

nicepotoftea · 23/12/2025 09:47

1984Now · 23/12/2025 09:31

Hey, I'm not a Reform voter, just commenting on what I observe.
I see there were the same fears you predict re Reform ahead of a Trump victory, and all that's happened is that his presidency has seriously stopped the Genderwang in it's tracks, Title IX isn't the issue it was, Trump's declaration on the Olympics has forced a reversal on men in women's sports, gays are under no threat.

Trump has prevented law firms from entering government buildings if they take on cases that support positions that he doesn't like.

Trump is not better.

BonfireLady · 23/12/2025 09:57

1984Now · 23/12/2025 09:31

Hey, I'm not a Reform voter, just commenting on what I observe.
I see there were the same fears you predict re Reform ahead of a Trump victory, and all that's happened is that his presidency has seriously stopped the Genderwang in it's tracks, Title IX isn't the issue it was, Trump's declaration on the Olympics has forced a reversal on men in women's sports, gays are under no threat.

That's an interesting take and food for thought. Sadly, Trump has proved that he's no use on protecting women's rights to abortion - he effectively just stepped aside and left each state to it - but on balance, he's achieving more good than not on sex-based rights and healthcare for the vulnerable children and young adults who are caught up in this mess.

I still find him very much like the stopped clock which is right twice though. Just as it's impossible to forget Johnson's covid partying and meddling with the proroguing of parliament (he very much showed his hand there - it was all about getting his own way and removing any barriers that prevented it), I can't ever forget his utter stupidity about drinking bleach to get rid of covid. I hope nobody followed that "advice". Obviously he asked it as a question about whether it would be effective, rather than suggesting people did it, but that could have been enough to signpost some people to try it. I mean, it would work.... but perhaps not in the way intended. Also his revolting "pussy grabbing" and arrogant and bullying behaviour towards others he considers lesser (e.g. that conversation with Zelensky, which I watched in full).

The only concession I've made towards him is that I no longer plan to use my Trump loo roll that my sister in law gave to me a couple of years ago. I forgot I had it and had been planning to bring it out for everyone to use one Christmastime. Only remembered I had it this year and as a nod to his excellent work so far to support everyone who is caught up in the impact of gender identity belief being pushed as fact, I'm leaving it in the drawer. Maybe I should send it to Zelensky and he could use it in secret, while smiling his way through all those "deal" conversations.

1984Now · 23/12/2025 10:06

BonfireLady · 23/12/2025 09:57

That's an interesting take and food for thought. Sadly, Trump has proved that he's no use on protecting women's rights to abortion - he effectively just stepped aside and left each state to it - but on balance, he's achieving more good than not on sex-based rights and healthcare for the vulnerable children and young adults who are caught up in this mess.

I still find him very much like the stopped clock which is right twice though. Just as it's impossible to forget Johnson's covid partying and meddling with the proroguing of parliament (he very much showed his hand there - it was all about getting his own way and removing any barriers that prevented it), I can't ever forget his utter stupidity about drinking bleach to get rid of covid. I hope nobody followed that "advice". Obviously he asked it as a question about whether it would be effective, rather than suggesting people did it, but that could have been enough to signpost some people to try it. I mean, it would work.... but perhaps not in the way intended. Also his revolting "pussy grabbing" and arrogant and bullying behaviour towards others he considers lesser (e.g. that conversation with Zelensky, which I watched in full).

The only concession I've made towards him is that I no longer plan to use my Trump loo roll that my sister in law gave to me a couple of years ago. I forgot I had it and had been planning to bring it out for everyone to use one Christmastime. Only remembered I had it this year and as a nod to his excellent work so far to support everyone who is caught up in the impact of gender identity belief being pushed as fact, I'm leaving it in the drawer. Maybe I should send it to Zelensky and he could use it in secret, while smiling his way through all those "deal" conversations.

I approve of drinking bleach v I approve of state funding for genital and plastic surgery on trans IDd male prisoners in female prisons.
How would you rank these?

sweetsardineface · 23/12/2025 10:08

‘Grab them by the pussy’ Trump is no friend to women.

SwirlyGates · 23/12/2025 10:15

Keeptoiletssafe · 23/12/2025 09:35

When men are sentenced for sexual assaults in toilets (it’s always men), I have noticed the sentencing says they are not to go near women’s toilets. There was at least one that said unisex toilets too. If everything is unisex, that shows another problem.

edit to add quote:
‘He is banned from entering female and unisex public toilets for 15 years.’

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I didn't know that. I assume it's not common knowledge.

nicepotoftea · 23/12/2025 10:20

Trump also pardoned everyone who was involved in the Capitol riots, including those who had been convicted of assaulting police.

He really doesn't care about having an independent legal system or due process. I don't think it's unfair to say that he and many of his supporters believe that the President should be able to do whatever he wants.

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