Sex Matters - Hampstead Heath Ponds -

[SexRealismBeliefs]

Sex Matters, a charity that campaigns for single-sex rights, will argue that the City of London Corporation is breaching equality law by allowing trans women to use Kenwood Ladies’ Pond on Hampstead Heath.

Hearing this Wednesday.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/cceca8ca-4167-4b04-875a-40ddacfea782?shareToken=e9fe25a546d20835f1a5a66564cbf27b

You are facing an existential threat if your identity rests entirely on other people accepting and validating it.

I am completely baffled why my post above has been hidden. In the meantime I would like to state that it is a perfectly innocuous post about the existential threat issue and about seeing a lack of activist action on MTF issues. I do not write nasty posts.

Whoever button pushed must have real problems.

There's been a very interesting thread on X from a TW saying how upset they were that they've realised a colleague they thought really thought they were a woman accidentally misgendered them and they've now realised she never saw them as a woman at all https://x.com/russelt4tdavies/status/2020228825502904670?s=46

When both parties have to lie about the basics there was never any foundation to begin with.

I think he means it shatters the foundations of his own psyche.

The relationship was always built on false foundations and a female coworker's intention either to be kind or to safeguard her employment.

Trans people who adopt a female persona aren't women. Is that community going to start understanding this any time soon?

Quite! It takes a total, narcissistic self -focus not to even notice what another person is really thinking or feeling.

It’s sad really. Even from the tiny avatar with much of the jawline covered up, I immediately concluded male. So many people must lie to these men for them to be so convinced people think they’re women. It’s not kind at all to let people believe something that’s so obviously false.

Exactly.

Bear in mind humiliation is itself a kink.

Some men like to be jeered at.

Men's sexuality can be pretty weird, especially when mixed with personality disorders.

So, hold on. From reading the thread - all women are supposed to #bekind but when this woman tried hard to #bekind and twist herself up in knots around this person's delusion, it's "just performative"
Nothing would do other than that she actually SHARED his delusion.

For fuck's sake.
If nothing's good enough, does that mean we now have permission to just tell the bloody truth?

I think they’ll think of some solution involving gulags or electrodes, preferably both, before they concede that.

This is a tongue in cheek comment, Monitors.

If the law had been made clear several years ago, it would have been so much better.

That's exactly it, it's what the be kinders never understand.

it's not enough to be kind, play along, use the 'correct' pronouns and all that. You must sincerely believe they are an actual woman - which of course you can't because everyone knows it's impossible ti change sex

it's why I get so frustrated with our resident be kinder visitors. They no more believe men can become women than I do but they're prepared ti perform that belief yo "be kind". However as that thread shows, their performing isn't enough either. Nothing is enough except believing the impossible. Everyone fails which is why the rage and sadness increases

what an absolute fucking shit show has been created

Why is their perception so off? It's weird.

Obviously for these men, people know they're men. And they know it, too.

So why do they think that the odd person doesn't know it?

I know they might do a very good job of pretending, but nonetheless. Why would these men automatically assume it's a real belief, rather than a good pretence, given they must in a minority.

I guess it comes down to the overwhelming desire, just making them blind.

Stonewall have a lot to answer for!

That’s exactly it I think, and I don’t think most of them leave their supportive bubbles all that often so they're constantly being fawned over and pandered to. He obviously thought of his work as part of that bubble so it was a rude shock when someone slipped up accidentally.

It would seem that she's been diplomatic all along, so as to keep things smooth in the workplace, whilst knowing that he's a man; either that, or she feared being monstered. Everyone will have known, including him.

He is a selfish little sausage, he has no insight into the stress he's put her through constantly, tiptoeing across eggshells, having to pretend, so as not to cause a ruckus. Now she's mistergendered him, he's only weeping, because he's realised that everyone knows and thinks that he's a man.

Spot on @SinnerBoy

I suppose it's also from years of their friends, family and allies playing along and using female pronouns, "woman" etc. They all end up actually believing it.

Language, as we (and they) know, is so important.

The co-working revealing that she knows he's a man "literally shatters the foundations of the relationship". A relationship in which he just expected her to believe his lie. I don't suppose he ever actually asked her if she was did, or if she was ok with the pretence.

"It just shows that they don't see me as a woman despite being nice to me. It ends up feeling performative."

Is he saying that if we know he's a man we should be horrible to him? Because all of my relationships with trans-identifying males are that I am nice to them, but I know damn well they are men.

"It just shows that they don't see me as a woman despite being nice to me. It ends up feeling performative."

It's just bizarre. He must know it's performative. It's the whole point.

I guess it truly is just delusional.

This reply says it all really, womanhood as a performance.

In the de Beauvoir sense he might have an accidental point (not that he's the first fucking clue about what she actually meant).

Being female, however, is born not worn, chummy.