HW live on LBC at 4pm 11 Dec

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Apparently she can't wait to hear from us!

Did HW really say that she's not responsible for her company prescribing a life threatening testosterone overdose to an anorexic child? It's her company - she literally is responsible for everything it does.

Dr Stephanie Cook: This is an unregulated organisation, not regulated by any UK body.

That is tedious purity politics to say that if a right wing journo discusses an issue that the left should be good on but have chosen not to be, it’s a dog whistle. The right have simply walked into the colossal open goal the left stupidly placed in their path. I don’t know this presenter but it sounds like he knew his stuff and held HW’s feet to the fire in a way that I know for a fact JO’B couldn’t and wouldn’t do. The fact that JO’B wouldn’t and couldn’t says much more that is negative about him that TS doing a good job says about TS.

I couldn’t give a fuck who is asking the questions that need to be asked. I only hope that more people stop being such cowardly weaklings and keep on asking these questions.

That is tedious purity politics to say that if a right wing journo discusses an issue that the left should be good on but have chosen not to be, it’s a dog whistle. The right have simply walked into the colossal open goal the left stupidly placed in their path.

Absolutely this @Ddakji
The left could talk about it if they wanted to but they don't. And I thought TS was neutral when talking to HW, he was coming out with facts and evidence but not personal opinion.

I couldn’t give a fuck who is asking the questions that need to be asked.

Exactly.

I can't remember the exact wording of that bit but I'll go back and find it. She basically sounded like an exasperated manager who can't be responsible for everything her employees get up to!

Very well said.

I watched all the recent HW interviews and can't face hearing any more of her. Thanks to those who have stronger stomachs than me.

We really do need a laughing emoji on MN.

Me neither, she gives me the rage. Absolute moron of a woman.

This left, right stuff really annoys me. Suppose you had a political party who set out a long list of policies that all sound great but the last item on the list is 'and finally, we will kill all your firstborn'. Nobody would say they should just ignore that final policy because they're right on everything else!

Over the last twenty years some extremely vulnerable children, teenagers and young adults have been given irreversible hormone treatment and surgery which will damage their physical and mental health permanently. The evidence base that these treatments will improve qualty of life and for their safety is exceptionally poor. The research that shows the contrary has been suppressed and sidelined. The older evidence that most gender questioning children desist once through puberty seems to have been consigned to a memory hole because it's inconvenient now gender ideology has become fashionable.

What other treatment as serious as this would be administered to patients on demand because clinicians are told they have to accept the patients' self-diagnosis without question? What happened to our understanding of child development and psychology and of social contagion? How can it be that HCPs, therapists, counsellors, teachers, social and youth workers and other trained professionals are just ignoring all of that and taking children at their word? Pre-pubertal children cannot understand what they are giving up when they take drugs that will destroy their fertility and their ability to have a normal sex life as adults. This is massively different from asking a child if they agree to surgery that could save their life if they have, say, a heart defect.

Any political party or politician that fails to get to grips with something as serious as this should never be in power.

He doesn't care. This was my point. I focus on those who sincerely care, over those who use 'gender identity' issues to prop up their politics.

TS spends his time being a second mouthpiece to Nick Ferrari. That, they claim to know what a biological woman means, doesn't mean they are a friend to women.

It serves their right wing agenda to claim only biological women are women.

It bothers me that posters here support such men and their views while ignoring how right wing and prejudiced they truly are.

I think TS actually does care about gender issues and how they impact women. I have heard him talk several times and he covers the topic much better than JOB who avoids like the plague and then thinks he’s clever when he talks about toilet police.

This isn't a serious, or sincere corner for women.

Hope you all comfort each other though.

This is what was said:

TS: There was one of your patients, one of Gender GP's patients, who was diagnosed with autism. This is Child J, 15 years old, diagnosed with autism and anorexia in 2020, sectioned under the Mental Health Act for treatment in 2021 after incidents of self-harm. First made contact with Gender GP in October 2022 with support of his mother. Two months later, after a fee was paid and a questionnaire completed, a prescription was issued for testosterone and puberty blockers. What medical assessments had been carried out by Gender GP on that child's needs?

HW: Well, how am I supposed to know who J is, what, who the doctor was, what assessments were done? You need to give me a few more details, or what? You want me to share medical records online with you today?

TS: What is the process then by which a child diagnosed with autism and anorexia, sectioned under the Mental Health Act, would be able to get a prescription for testosterone?

HW: You missed the diagnosis of gender incongruence there, was that deliberate or you're just not admitting that?

TS: It doesn't suggest that there is one.

HW: Then why would they prescribe the medicine for gender incongruence?

TS: You tell me, it's your organisation.

HW: Well, it's my organisation but does that make me responsible for every single thing? But, but, listen a doctor wouldn't prescribe testosterone....

TS: The every single thing is that this child was prescribed a potentially fatal dose of testosterone.

HW: If this is the case that you're talking about in The Times I am not and can't talk about that today. But from a medical point of view you would prescribe testosterone to a child if they had a diagnosis of gender incongruence.

TS: The judgment says no medical examination or blood testing....

HW: Tom, I'm not able, I cannot talk about that case.

TS: I'm just making it clear to my listeners - no medical examination, blood testing or other clinical evaluation was undertaken. Child J had not had any direct communication with a doctor at any stage during the referral.

HW: How the hell did he get his prescription then?

TS: You would have prescribed it.

HW: Me?

TS: Gender GP. Your organisation.

HW: Gender GP. (mumbled) not LBC. A doctor... you can't get a prescription from an organisation. You can't get a prescription from me. So let's just be clear to your listeners (sarcastic tone) who you're guiding down this conversation, a doctor will have made an assessment and written a prescription.

TS: Again, the judgment says there was no direct communication with a doctor at any stage during the referral...

HW: I can't talk about that judgment.

TS: Well you just said, you just suggested that there was...

HW: I am talking generally about the way medicine works.

Well, you're not a serious or sincerer supporter of women, you condescending nitwit.

This is why you alienate. Women really do each other no favours.

I am calling nobody 'a condescending nit wit' either.

I simply believe that showing support to an otherwise right wing mouthpiece, cos he meekly challenges HW, says more about you, over what you truly and sincerely care about.

Ok, love.

If the ones with the "right kind of believes" don't address this issue, then surely that is the problem and you should ask yourself why they don't. Could it possibly be because they couldn't care less about women and their concerns? So the left doesn't care about women and the right are the wrong kind of people to show concern. Shall we just stop bothering all together? Has the left done anything, I mean anything at all, to show that they care about women?

If you’re including me in your criticism and condescension, do you not think that we know this? And can think critically? And are massively frustrated and angry that the political parties that usually speak to us are so to the opposite? Have you not seen what has happened to former Labour MPs like Rosie Duffield who do speak to my views? Just wait till “the left” abandon (if only) their so called progressive stance on gender ideology, their leftie woke bros like JOB will soon follow suit.

This is about the mutilation of children and all you can complain about is the person who happens to present the show, not the utter ghoul who is spouting her dangerous nonsense on it. And you call posters here insincere and not serious? Have a long careful look in a mirror.

TS: I'm just making it clear to my listeners - no medical examination, blood testing or other clinical evaluation was undertaken. Child J had not had any direct communication with a doctor at any stage during the referral.

That's... That's just... 😡👿 Ugh! I'm so angry and horrified! I only see my endocrinologist once a year, but I have to do regular blood tests to check my testosterone levels, my blood composition, my liver enzymes, and who knows what else! And I'm not a teenager whose body is constantly changing and evolving! Or an anorexic child!

These people really and truly are monsters 💀

I've only seen a few short clips on YouTube so that's why I got that impression. James O'Brien is very good but he's full on twaw so wouldn't be neutral

Or alternatively, we praise people when they do good work rather than being tribally for or against them? Tom comes across as having done his research on this, and actually asks sensible questions, and that behaviour should be encouraged. Hopefully he'll get equally informed on disability because he's much less impressive on that.

What isn’t?

Absolutely right.
And if you think the left are the fucking good guys here then you've not been paying attention.