Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Cocaine is quite a bit cheaper in London these days, so I hear, thanks to Albanian entrepreneurs from the small boats.

Left libertarianism is quite a thing though. Yes, there are quite a few MPs who like a bit of sniff, and maybe that's hypocritical, but if there wasn't a certain amount of hypocrisy in high places we would have no laws or social norms at all.

Zack seems to have the abstemious man's naive belief that other people will consume drugs in a moderate and sensible way, if they don't have these pesky laws making their habit technically illegal. I wonder if he's known many addicts, I suspect not.

I was thinking about Trump's appearance on the Theo Von podcast, where Theo talked about his struggles with addiction, and Trump talked about his older brother who died of alcoholism and that's why he doesn't drink, and Theo asked him if he'd ever been tempted. Trump's response was roughly "come on, if I were a drinker do you think I'd be moderate about it?"

Zack Polanski, maybe the shallowest person ever to become a party leader (makes Ed Davey look as solid as oak), yes even worse than Johnson, yet makes up for it with almost infinite levels of 100% fake therapeutic spin.
He can do concerned, and empathetic, and collegiate, all in the same sentence. And of course the performative anger laced with enough semi-conspiracy tropes eg billionaires and tech moguls and fossil fuel giants and shadowy Tufton Street types are at the heart of all our ills, and as long as they're dealt with, we can pull UK
Plc around.
The candidate for the hard of understanding everywhere.

with almost infinite levels of this fake therapeutic spin.

Trump's just channelled his addictive tendencies into fast food instead.

And whatevers detailed in the Epstein files

Well, Democrats keep hoping the Epstein files will finally bring him down, now that everyone except Rachel Maddow has given up on the idea of proving that he's a Russian agent. So far, they just keep pinning the tail on Bill Clinton.

And Woody Allen, but I think we had him priced in, and he's 89. It would be interesting to see if there's any fallout for celebrities who Democrats still care about.

The Democrat-media axis are shifty about that sort of thing though. It's obvious John Cusack has been quietly cancelled - he used to do about six movies a year, and he's barely worked in the last ten years - and nobody will say why.

Did I read during the Trump 1.0 years that Cusack was so TDS, he was out on his own, spending more and more time online looking for conspiracies re Trump until he went loco. Maybe he's genuinely never recovered.

Cusack has developed quite a track record of open antisemitism on his social media.

I can't quite figure out if that's what got him cancelled, or if he got cancelled first and he's constructed a conspiracy theory blaming the Jews for how every movie he's appeared in for the past decade has either been straight to video or made in China. Anyway, nobody wants to work with him, but nobody will openly say that he's cancelled or why. It's all very mysterious.

I believe he's still a member in good standing of Democratic Socialists of America, for what that's worth.

Jews and Trump, or just Jews?

Does it make a difference? We've got people here seemingly convinced that Bari Weiss (!) is the power behind the throne.

I love Bari Weiss, but I love Batya Ungar-Sargon more. My wife as well, lol.
What is it about female Jewish-Americans who's first names start with B?

The Conservative's just announced candidate Charlotte Cadden is a trustee for Sex Matters!!!!

Things are really looking likely to get dramatic.
I have created a thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5484802-gorton-denton-by-election-thread

Lamb to the slaughter, I'm afraid.

Yes, but hopefully she will highlight important isues....and draw the attention of those who may be inclined to vote Green purely on the issue of Gaza.

Prof John Curtice on radio this morning. It's being pitched as a 3 way Reform Vs labour Vs Greens

Also Galloways Workers Party and Corbyns Your Party are both standing aside and telling voters to back the greens, as are a group called Muslim Vote

Gallows does not like the Greens at all, and the WP statement framed it as "defeat Labour and Reform" without explicitly endorsing the Greens.

Am assuming Gallows had a painful conversation with the Muslim Vote guys

Not sure if Muslim Vote are connected to 5 Pillocks.

5P take a very dim view of Your Party and the leftist element to the extent that one of the beard bros actually heckled Zarah Sultana at the YP conference demanding an apology for upsetting the community. It's been posted earlier or on the other thread but the activists are aware that they have their own opinions thank you very much

He was on C4 news last night.

Reform NATO from within, but with the caveat that you can't reform NATO, so in effect abolish it and form a new coalition against Imperialism, with European countries. And Brazil. And some "global South" countries.

China?

https://nitter.net/Channel4News/status/2017963383354450184#m

Keep it up, Zack.
We need to hear as much from you as possible.

There's certainly an argument to be made that NATO, like the EU, is a 1950s idea that's outlived its usefulness.

But I don't think Zack is making that argument, if his alternative is a security alliance with Brazil and [checks Wikipedia for other Third World countries with left wing governments]. And we know Brazil would be demoted if Bolsonaro ever gets back into power.

I hate to say this, but I think Zack is just improvising based on vibes.

5 Pillocks do talk about Muslim Vote though I think they regard them as too liberal, but a useful way of increasing Muslim status.

I think one reason they like the Greens more than YP at the moment because the internal division in YP was a threat to their favourite Gaza MPs. What they will do when the Greens run candidates in their Gaza constituencies which will happen eventually will be a big question.

I think the only thing holding this stuff together is the Gaza thing. With the war winding down the conflict between the left's other ideas and allying with conservative Muslims is only going to get worse.

Urgh yes I always forget this point. Cocaine production destroys about 4km of rainforest per gram. Its absolutely devastating to human and animal communities in South America. Does ZP think making Cocaine legal ( and heroin) will reduce demand? If not, he clearly couldn't give a crap about the environment (which I knew anyway). I'd like to hear the GP actually talk about environmentalism.
I think someone on one of these threads ( or somewhere else maybe) pointed out that trans activism is more ultra liberalism than socialism, which is related to subsuming your individual wants for the good of society as a whole, to varying extents, whereas trans activism is saying people should be able to do and be what they like and everyone else should just affirm their decision, no matter what concerns they have or the dangers to others, especially in relation to the rights of women, or safeguarding the vulnerable. The legalisation of drugs is along the same lines. Its a Liberal world view, that if someone wants to take drugs, then they should just be allowed to do it, with no consideration for wider risks to society as a whole yet both ideas have been wholeheartedly embraced by the Left. The only aspect that is of the Left is their love of authoritarianism and policing of 'wrongspeak'.

I'm no ZP fan, but moving production from criminal supply chains into regulated markets is an opportunity to regulate production including environmental and employment standards.

That would have to worldwide for it to work though. Just having all drugs legalised in this country wont work. It would all have to come from the same supply chains, which would involve chopping down rainforests. What would we do- have an NHS owned patch of land in Columbia? Can we grow coca plants in the UK? Even growing weed in the UK uses up an absolute ton of heat energy. Again, not very environmentally sustainable. Decriminalisisng personal drug use ( which is more or less the case now) and iproving drug rehabilitation services, arguably yes. But hes a snake oil salesman, and not even pretending to care about the environment.

Libertarian Green, a whole new genre.

No, it works through the corporate and government buyers writing standards into the contracts. Big contracts, big carrot.

It's not perfect by any means, but it's certainly better than an illegal free for all.

Hey, while Polanski is on his South American tour after winning a super majority in the 2029 GE, stopping off first in Brazil to negotiate his "Not Quite NATO" lash up, maybe he can pop into Bogota, and talk to the Columbians about Fair Trade Cocaine.