Unison still hate women

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Andrea Egan standing to be the general secretary of unison has apparently never heard of the Sandie Peggie case, doesn't understand the issues and compares it to banning ppl with blue eyes

because she's clearly a total fuckwit

www.politicshome.com/news/article/unison-challenger-andrea-egan-labour-government-done-little-working-people

I agree. I think campaigning to change the Equality Act will be a step too far for many people. But as pp said, there will be a small.but very vocal group of TRAs pushing this, with many other people cowed into submission. But hopefully this will trigger some debate and scrutiny about what changing the EA would actually mean.

My husband is a kind placid generous loving man

he is driven to fury by that phrase and the accompanying chin stroke

so I save it for very special occasions…

My entire sector is devoid of a union, so none are recognised as such. They can still represent you when / if things go sour, there's just no collective bargaining etc.

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My local Unison branch is really pushing hard on wanting to ‘change the law’. It’s making me feel really uneasy. I don’t feel confident enough to email and say anything to the branch, but this feels so so wrong. Once you see this for what it is (men and women with internal misogyny wanting to bully women into shutting up and putting up with it for the benefit of men), it’s hard to see it any other way.

I know several people who have joined Affinity union. They are clear that their role is to support members and not to get involved in niche political activism in the workplace. I'm not a member so can't confirm how good they are, but they don't appear to boast about being anti women as Unison seem to?

https://workaffinity.co.uk/

Did it a while back. Unison turn my stomach now. They actively campaign against women, so they are not fit for purpose.

This article was written in ' Politics Home'. This is far right publication with Lord Ashcroft as the major shareholder. He is a British- Belizean Conservative businessman. His whole aim in life is to weaken workers' ability to fight back against exploitative employers. Fracturing worker's unity is his life work.

Don't believe a word written in 'Politics Home'. He is no friend of the UK, members of Trade Unions etc. His Belizean 'nationality' tells you all you need to know about his offshore tax avoidance.

It's an interview with Andrea Egan.

Are you saying that the quotes are made up?

Or, do you think that the quotes are genuine quotations of what Andrea Egan said during the interview?

Or, thirdly, that it doesn't matter if the quotes are accurate or not, it is published by a bad website and therefore must not be read by good people?

lol nice try

those are Andrea egans own words abd unison have been proudly posting all over social media about how much they disagree with the guidance confirming women are indeed allowed their own spaces and how they will spend money campaigning to get the guidance withdrawn

Well she is upfront about not wanting Unison to support Sandie: last sentence in the article:
It sounds like she wouldn’t be comfortable with the union representing someone like Peggie? “I wouldn’t,” she agrees.

Most unions are absolute buggers about both the idea and the practice of women having rights and always have been. Women fought for equal pay in defiance of many unions. Women’s rights should come after the revolution everything else in the whole damn world is sorted and women should stop getting ideas above their station and work for the betterment of men.

The leadership of many big unions has been captured by radical ideologues who are more interested in career progression than in representing their membership. Many have come straight out of university politics into political activism. Their roles as teachers, doctors etc are secondary. You'll also find many politicians and MPs who came up through trade union activism - and they are most often far more radical, bolshie and ideological than their members.

What Andrea Egan says about herself:

https://andrea4gs.org.uk/#:~:text=I%20first%20became%20a%20steward,of%20Bolton%20Local%20Government%20Branch.

This is the problem.

Union representatives have left any kind of logical thought behind when it’s come to the trans issue. And many trans activists have instinctively found organisations where they can be influential in advancing their own niche cause, ignoring how this one niche cause is to the detriment of 51% of working people.

It has created a space for those on the ‘right’ to step in and claim the sane, logical and majority position that sex is real. This is regardless of the right not truly being pro women but they can claim the semblance of doing so.

Both exploit the gender debate. However, it is the left who need to be held accountable for allowing this ridiculous and harmful narrative to take root and for creating the opportunity for the right to claim the moral high ground.

As others have said, I’m not leaving my union behind, it’s left me behind. It’s bloody unfair that my union relies on my commitment to collective bargaining to continue me paying my subs when it is crap at its job of protecting workers rights and spends the whole of the AGM going on about every other cause under the sun other than the one for its existence.

She seems to know what a woman is when she's using them to big herself up in her campaign.

Plenty of people (and Union members) on the left ie Labour members eg and definitely Members of the Communist Party (surely 'left') don't believe men can become women or vice versa. Women are joining Unions at a record rate and lead nearly half of all Unions. Union members have higher wages than non members and on average stay with the same employer longer than non Union members. So Unions are doing something's right. Members need to pressure their elected leaders if members don't agree with policies not abandon the Unions who offer protection against exploitative employers.

Many union leaders are pre-programmed to see all employment as exploitative. I used to be a teacher, and the biggest union then was the NUT ( now the NEU), Union reps were always concerned with 'working to rule' - going around the staffroom telling staff " don't mark that don't mark this"; and at parents' evenings saying " don't give them more than five minutes" ( parents, that is).

What most teachers, as one example, want from their union is support in the event of allegations or disciplinary procedures etc - not radicalised politics which pit the workers against 'the bosses', and suggests that people shouldn't give their professional best to their role.

My father used to be an engineering union shop steward in the 1970s......it was just the same; with the hard-liners always agitating for strike action or work to rule; bringing the men out on strike when they really didn't want to. In my father's case the company for which he had worked for twenty years and which employed hundreds of men - left and went to Spain instead, leaving my father and all of the others redundant.

I'm glad to have stumbled across this thread. I'm a member of Prospect which is the recognised union of the charity I work for. I've just received an update from the branch about the EHRC guidance and how awful it is for trans people. Not a single word about how single sex spaces might be welcomed by women (and indeed men).

I joined because I had a few issues with a former manager and wanted to access advice in case things got messy. I can't stomach their position on women's rights though and think I might leave and look at joining Affinity instead.

I joined Affinity because they seem to be focused on supporting employees, not politics.

Angela Egan features in a BBC article today warning the Labour party that it risks losing to Reform if they don't act to protect worker's rights......What a nerve she's got:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lyjey0zv0o

As long as those workers aren't women wanting to enforce their right to a single sex changing room at work in which case they can fuck off eh Andrea?

It’s really concerning how many women are defending men’s ‘right’ to be in women only spaces, and don’t think women should have the right to dignity and areas without biological men there. Why do some think like this, what is their reasoning?

There is no logic, only a form of reasoning that is shaped by 'trans' being an ideological article of faith in their social/political tribe. This is why trans activists cannot engage with reasoned questions without resorting to personal name calling, abuse, or general shows of contempt - such as at the Women and Equalities Q & A with Mary Ann Stephensen, last week.

We've seen this type of mass group think before in certain periods of history and it is never very edifying. In 20 years we'll look back and see it for what it was. This particular ideology will also leave behind much damage in the form of children ( and others) blocked in their natural bodily processes and surgically mutilated having being fed a lie based entirely on trendy academic theory.

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