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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baroness Falkner: Labour Party has abandoned women and feminism

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Signalbox · 05/12/2025 21:45

“… She has unfinished business, however. Three months ago she submitted, with the support of the board, what she views as her legacy — statutory guidance on how public bodies, businesses and employers should interpret a seismic ruling by the Supreme Court. The ruling, on April 16, clarified that under the Equality Act 2010 the terms “women” and “sex” referred to “biological” sex, not acquired gender.

Since then, however, the guidance has gone nowhere. It is now somewhere in the bowels of the Department for Education, and there is no indication of when it will be published. The EHRC, Falkner says, has been told by the government that it is “all very complex and we need to take our time over it”.

She doesn’t buy it. “We’ve had external counsel, internal counsel, everybody’s looked at it. I mean, I’m so certain of the lawfulness of our code that I don’t think I’ve ever been so certain about anything before,” she says. “The other explanation simply is that they’re terrified of their MPs who would wish for trans self-identification or trans inclusion to prevail across all areas of society, including Section 3 of the Equality Act, and would wish for the exemptions not to exist.” …

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/baroness-falkner-labour-was-the-party-of-feminism-not-any-more-fzgjxswgn

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Baroness Falkner: Labour was the party of feminism — not any more

The former EHRC chairwoman reflects on her work trying to draw the line between women’s rights and trans rights

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/baroness-falkner-labour-was-the-party-of-feminism-not-any-more-fzgjxswgn

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Llamasarellovely · 06/12/2025 13:53

plantcomplex · 06/12/2025 11:30

This should age well:

The Beaumont Society, the longest-established transgender support group in the UK, said of the decision of the NFWI and Girlguiding: “This is a backward step in both the law and in society and will, in time be found to be as unsupportable as similar pseudosciences such as vaccines causing autism, or phrenology, or polygenism or injecting bleach to cure Covid.”

Do we actually know injecting bleach doesn't cure covid? Shouldn't we experiment on a lot of children first, to make absolutely sure?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/12/2025 14:02

Llamasarellovely · 06/12/2025 13:53

Do we actually know injecting bleach doesn't cure covid? Shouldn't we experiment on a lot of children first, to make absolutely sure?

Or this:

Baroness Falkner: Labour Party has abandoned women and feminism
SternJoyousBeev2 · 06/12/2025 17:00

DecorMadness · 06/12/2025 09:24

They may be afraid to change the law. Trying to change it might bring more focus on it, and most would see a change for what it is - a blatant roll back of women’s rights and protections

This

its important to not shine any light on the impact of gender ideology because the more people know the less supportive they will be.

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 17:03

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 12:30

Why do you think they're so keen on girls being compelled to share everything with boys? That girls must be taught that they have no right to boundaries / single sex spaces? That men from the Beaumont society must be given access to every single sex space for girl and women?

Can't wait to hear more from them weighing in on just who should be allowed to watch teenage girls changing.

We need to start highlighting just what they're demanding and who it is they're expecting to give up their rights to privacy and safety. And get clear explanations from Labour about why they're supporting this.
Make them talk.

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Absolutely. Let the Beaumont Society Speak!

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/12/2025 17:54

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 06/12/2025 09:14

It is odd that the reaction from TRA is that the interpretation of the law is wrong, rather than the law not fit for what they want.

I dont think MP who are sympathetic to TRA really understand any of it or cannot argue for the laws TRA want.

I agree. It's quite worrying how some of the passionate voices with power to affect this turn out to know very, very little about it when you start to talk with them.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/12/2025 17:57

plantcomplex · 06/12/2025 11:30

This should age well:

The Beaumont Society, the longest-established transgender support group in the UK, said of the decision of the NFWI and Girlguiding: “This is a backward step in both the law and in society and will, in time be found to be as unsupportable as similar pseudosciences such as vaccines causing autism, or phrenology, or polygenism or injecting bleach to cure Covid.”

Because respecting women and girls' rights in law is as evil as 'injecting people with bleach'?

Good grief.

Iamnotalemming · 06/12/2025 19:35

What a wonderful woman. We are in her debt.

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 00:14

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/12/2025 11:07

The new chair is dr Mary Ann Stephenson. The usual suspects protested loudly about her appt because she'd been seen supporting gender critical opinions and the women and equalities committee wrote a sad faced letter saying they couldn't support her appt www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/31/mary-ann-stephenson-confirmed-as-ehrc-chair-despite-mps-objections

so I think she'll be fine

There were a couple of threads about MAS after her appointment and then the total disgrace that was the WEC questioning of her. ie sneering. They concluded she shouldn't be appointed, but were over ridden by Minister for Women.

But ... although MAS was accused of being anti trans, in fact the letter that was used to smear her was about the right to free speech.

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do. (I am so in aware of her I feel I have to use her title rather than presume to use her name! Blush )

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 00:18

re earlier comments about was Labour ever in support of feminism? No, but what they did have have women MPs who were committed to women's rights. eg Sex Discrimination Act, Equal Pay Act etc..

But dont forget many of those older Labour women MPs were part of NCCL who said that women's groups shouldn't be women only because that wasn't equality! And not forgetting their sorded support, which they later tried to play down, of PIE etc..

There is a huge difference between saying women should have rights is apsire to male standards, as opposed to being a feminist which is about having a women centred view of the world, meaning that 99.9% of the time women are in conflict with the ruling sex class.

moto748e · 07/12/2025 00:36

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do.

Maybe not, but it shouldn't be this hard, should it? To have to fight every inch of the way, against this baloney?

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 00:53

moto748e · 07/12/2025 00:36

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do.

Maybe not, but it shouldn't be this hard, should it? To have to fight every inch of the way, against this baloney?

Totally agree.

And for all I know given politics and saving face, if as I suggest MAS is not as confrontational, she may be allowed to say things.

But whether this will make those with the power "do the rights thing" and formally implement the law as now ruled by the Supreme Court,

Whoever is in post should be supported by MPs, not undermined because the politicians are too busy virtue signaling.

WarriorN · 07/12/2025 06:14

This is an amazing article, thank you

what a fantastic woman!

Floisme · 07/12/2025 06:48

I imagine we’ll find out pretty quickly what Mary Ann Stephenson is made of because I’m guessing that one of the first things she will be asked to do by this government is to take another look at that guidance and see if she can make it a little less, you know, complicated.

I could be wrong of course.

GallantKumquat · 07/12/2025 06:52

moto748e · 07/12/2025 00:36

I very much doubt she will ever take a stand in the way Baroness Falkner was prepared to do.

Maybe not, but it shouldn't be this hard, should it? To have to fight every inch of the way, against this baloney?

I hope that eventually Falkner will become remembered for the hero she is, and more important than just her very great significance as a GC voice in government.

She demonstrated how to bring a fanatically captured organization back in line with its defined objectives and make it fit for purpose again. Her accomplishments are practically unique. Look at the BBC (also Tory appointments tasked with overhaul, the NHS, OBR, or Trump's DOGE). Her work was the work of someone unafraid, with a high degree of personal integrity and a commitment to organization function, not just libertarian ideology. There are countless organizations which need this treatment and Falker's role is a template for how to accomplish it.

Witchymadwoman · 07/12/2025 07:59

GallantKumquat · 07/12/2025 06:52

I hope that eventually Falkner will become remembered for the hero she is, and more important than just her very great significance as a GC voice in government.

She demonstrated how to bring a fanatically captured organization back in line with its defined objectives and make it fit for purpose again. Her accomplishments are practically unique. Look at the BBC (also Tory appointments tasked with overhaul, the NHS, OBR, or Trump's DOGE). Her work was the work of someone unafraid, with a high degree of personal integrity and a commitment to organization function, not just libertarian ideology. There are countless organizations which need this treatment and Falker's role is a template for how to accomplish it.

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Could not agree more 🥰

DrBlackbird · 07/12/2025 09:22

“When you casually dismiss the reality of more than 51 per cent of your population in favour of what you think is the right way forward to protect a very, very, very small group of — albeit very vulnerable — people, then you need to do a stock take. Is that proportionate?”

I am extremely grateful for the clarity of logic and resolve demonstrated by Baroness Falkner, but we do need to stop using two words: ‘protect’ and ‘vulnerable’ in relation to TW.

Apart from young autistic boys and men caught up in the ideology - but that’s not what genderists mean - talking about protecting a vulnerable minority is an emotional and entirely manipulative linguistic heuristic.

Allowing men to self ID into any women’s spaces is not protecting them in any way shape or form. It’s enabling men to transgress women’s and girl’s rights and protection.

And it’s been pointed out many times before on these boards that there are enough TW who are far from being vulnerable (White, Kardashian, Bryson, Barker plus all those TW charged with murder, abduction and rape) so as to keep that adjective for the women and girls who have been harmed by men.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 07/12/2025 09:31

Just seen her on Trevor Phillips. Amazing woman. I applaud her.

ItsCoolForCats · 07/12/2025 09:52

YourAmplePlumPoster · 07/12/2025 09:31

Just seen her on Trevor Phillips. Amazing woman. I applaud her.

I'm staying with family, and it was in in the background so only caught bits of it. But I am so so impressed by her. Now that she has stood down from her role in the EHRC, she is not going to hold back, which is great.

I am in awe of her - she has survived the smears, the threats, the attempts to have her sacked, and she still won't be silenced.

And it is clear when you listen to her talk that she is motivated by a sense of fairness and of doing the right thing. All the people who call her a bigot are beyond ridiculous. I hope female Labour MPs listen to her plea and find the courage to speak up before women's fundamental rights are eroded any further.

EasternStandard · 07/12/2025 12:22

ItsCoolForCats · 07/12/2025 09:52

I'm staying with family, and it was in in the background so only caught bits of it. But I am so so impressed by her. Now that she has stood down from her role in the EHRC, she is not going to hold back, which is great.

I am in awe of her - she has survived the smears, the threats, the attempts to have her sacked, and she still won't be silenced.

And it is clear when you listen to her talk that she is motivated by a sense of fairness and of doing the right thing. All the people who call her a bigot are beyond ridiculous. I hope female Labour MPs listen to her plea and find the courage to speak up before women's fundamental rights are eroded any further.

Yes they went for her before. KB stepped in and stopped them succeeding.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 07/12/2025 19:10

The worst part of this is that she had to go private to prove that she was suffering from cancer which goes to show that NHS doctors don't take elderly women seriously. It proves her point.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 07/12/2025 19:12

She referred to herself as a Muslim woman and to the grooming gangs as a part of that community and their attitude towards women and girls.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/12/2025 20:25

DrBlackbird · 07/12/2025 09:22

“When you casually dismiss the reality of more than 51 per cent of your population in favour of what you think is the right way forward to protect a very, very, very small group of — albeit very vulnerable — people, then you need to do a stock take. Is that proportionate?”

I am extremely grateful for the clarity of logic and resolve demonstrated by Baroness Falkner, but we do need to stop using two words: ‘protect’ and ‘vulnerable’ in relation to TW.

Apart from young autistic boys and men caught up in the ideology - but that’s not what genderists mean - talking about protecting a vulnerable minority is an emotional and entirely manipulative linguistic heuristic.

Allowing men to self ID into any women’s spaces is not protecting them in any way shape or form. It’s enabling men to transgress women’s and girl’s rights and protection.

And it’s been pointed out many times before on these boards that there are enough TW who are far from being vulnerable (White, Kardashian, Bryson, Barker plus all those TW charged with murder, abduction and rape) so as to keep that adjective for the women and girls who have been harmed by men.

Apart from young autistic boys and men caught up in the ideology - but that’s not what genderists mean

I think you meant "girls and women". It's the autistic girls who were overrepresented at Tavi.

DrBlackbird · 07/12/2025 21:46

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/12/2025 20:25

Apart from young autistic boys and men caught up in the ideology - but that’s not what genderists mean

I think you meant "girls and women". It's the autistic girls who were overrepresented at Tavi.

I know quite a few young autistic men who identify as female. They are not predatory males seeking to dominate. They’ve been groomed online by older TW and come to believe that gender means something. They’re often groomed to start CSH thus becoming infertile. IMO, they are vulnerable but not in the way genderists claim. That’s what I mean.

moto748e · 07/12/2025 22:04

For sure, they damage anything they touch, as something based on a lie will. And women and girls bear the brunt, but vulnerable young men and boys suffer too. Anything to keep the turnover going.

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