Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

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Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I wouldn't necessarily agree with the way you chose to use language:

But, putting that aside, and accepting all that you say here as being true , for the sake of argument , it doesn't negate the existence/ truth of being trans and trans people.

There are people who, despite being born with a penis, cognitively recognise themselves as female/ women/ girls. This is a truth about some people in the world. It's not a choice , a projection, a construction, an ideology, it's just a fact of human diversity.

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It's mental illness. I know it's a well-trodden path, but an anorexic person cognitively recognises themselves as fat. It's not a choice, but they do. I see no difference between the two.

but an anorexic person cognitively recognises themselves as fat

yes I think this is a good analogy.

From testimonials from anorexic people , they literally recognise / see themselves as fat.

Anorexia is terrible because it kills. Often it can't be cured, sometimes it can.

One of the differences between anorexia and being trans is that being anorexic is typically not compatible with life- people will eventually starve themselves to death.

This is not the case with being trans. We can call being trans a "mental illness" if we like (I wouldn't agree with this language because I think it's stigmatising), but people can be trans and healthy and happy at the same time.

One is recognised and treated as a mental illness; the other is not, and in fact demands others validate their delusions. I, as a third party, don't need to pretend that I can't see the bones of the anoreic person, or pretend that I can hear the voices of the schizophrenic person. Why don't we pathologise and treat trans people in the same way?

One is recognised and treated as a mental illness

Yes , because if we don't treat anorexia people die. Sadly it very often cannot be cured. Sometimes it can. We try to treat it in the hope that we can save that person and they will live. There's a strong moral case there.

Why don't we pathologise and treat trans people in the same way?

Well actually- the norm is that we do- trans people are heavily pathologised.

I would argue that this is morally wrong .

If we don't treat anorexic people they die- so we try our best to treat them so that they can live.

Being trans is not the same. A person can be trans and live a healthy, happy life. So why stigmatise? Why label, why judge? Why try to "cure" , especially when there are no known treatments that have been shown to be effective?

Why not just allow that person to be trans and accept them.

Perhaps you should look inwards- Why is that so hard for you?

For the younger cohort it's a social contagion. For the older AGP males they just get free rein to indulge in their paraphilias.

These are your prejudices speaking.

Do you recognise being/feeling trans as having a mental illness? I know you don't like the term, but you do seem to recognise that there is something that should be treated? The 'treatment' seems to be to affirm and validate their feelings, which isn't a treatment!

but you do seem to recognise that there is something that should be treated?

If there was a known treatment that could reliably cure someone of being trans this would be an interesting ethical question - should you treat it or not?
However there is no evidenced treatment or cure.
So the only thing left is acceptance.

It's similar to something like ASD in that respect. Would we cure ASD if we could? Lots of parents with autistic children would do anything for this. Many autistic people are horrified at the idea.
Either way there is no known "cure" for ASD. Some people call it a mental illness or disability. Other people emphasise that it's just a type of difference and it's wrong to pathologize- instead we should look at what we can do to change society to better include/ accommodate people with these differences . Im more on the second perspective . I feel this way about all types of disability.

There weren't any young trans people twenty years ago

this is completely false.

The onus is on you to provide evidence of the existence of young trans people twenty years ago. All we saw back then were a few old school transexuals like Jan Morris.

Why not just allow that person to be trans and accept them.

Nobody argues against that. What is argued against is giving trans people special privileges by trampling other people's rights.

You mention autism in another comment. Well, my son has autism and I'm trans. The difference between accepting him and accepting me is that nothing that is done to accept him attacks the rights of anyone else. On the contrary, many trans people and activists demand that women's rights be diminished or erased in order to accept me. That's not comparable.

What a load of cobblers.
Health risks aside (we won’t go into the whole damage caused by hormones stunting IQ / having supposedly superfluous bits chopped off) - those two conditions are both mental health issues and are as “real” as each other.
That is, not at all.

Do you believe that anorexic people are actually fat? If you don't, why do you believe that transwomen are actually women?

is that nothing that is done to accept him attacks the rights of anyone else. On the contrary, many trans people and activists demand that women's rights be diminished or erased in order to accept me. That's not comparable.

I really reject the idea that accepting trans people is an attack on women, or diminishes or erases their rights. I'm really sorry that you have swallowed this narrative; it's deeply problematic.

What a load of cobblers.

Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.

I think I've done all I can here

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I categorically refuse to acknowledge a trans-identified male's delusions that they're actually women who subsequently need access to female single sex spaces and rights, in very much the same way that I refuse to acknowledge Rachel Dolezal, a white woman, who identifies as black, is actually a black/African woman like I am.

Both are equally delulu, but only racefaking is considered absolutely verboten? Funny how that works, especially given the fact that "race" is a skin-deep, social construct ("race" as we know it today, is a very modern invention), whereas sex is biologically determined and fixed, having an impact on every aspect of our beings, down to our very cells.

It's not an idea, it's an ever-longer series of facts. When women are made to strip in front of fully intact male people in my name, I say "Stop!"

I didn't swallow any narrative. I simply accept to see reality as it is.

Anorexia can't be cured. The treatment is to force-feed to avoid further medical complications and combine with intensive therapy. It doesn't magically go away after that, sufferers will be dealing with the physical and mental fallout for the rest of their lives. There are many, probably most(?) sufferers of anorexia and other eating disorders who never receive formal treatment. We all still recognise that they have issues and part of dealing with those isn't to validate their delusional thinking.

Those with eating disorders, mental illness, physical disabilities, neurodivergence or learning difficulties aren't treated by allowing them to run roughshod over the laws of the land and the rights of others.

Do you believe that anorexic people are actually fat?

No:

If you don't, why do you believe that transwomen are actually women?

To that I would say- whether you accept that "transwomen are women" entirely depends on your definition of "a woman".

If you say that a woman is definitionally a person identified female at birth, with a vagina and xx chromosomes, then , by definition, a transwoman is not a woman .

Aren’t we told to listen to people with transgender identities to be informed?

You don’t seem to be doing so.

I mean Seethlaw is talking, are you listening ?

You also dismissed ‘abusive men’ by calling them men when they claim to have a transgender identity. You seem to lack consistency here.

but only racefaking is considered absolutely verboten? Funny how that works, especially given the fact that "race" is a skin-deep, social construct ("race" as we know it today, is a very modern invention)

If there were any evidence of a genuine medical condition whereby people who were one race, cognitively understood themselves to be a different race , in a manner that was profound, affected all aspects of their life and could not be cured, then I would say it was wrong not to accept such people and accommodate them in society.
There is no evidence such a condition exists, probably because, as you very correctly identify," race" is a skin-deep, social construct ("race" as we know it today, is a very modern invention" and completely different in that respect to sex.

I mean Seethlaw is talking, are you listening ?

I'd be interested in listening to Seethlaw describe their personal experience of sex/ gender, absolutely.

Their political opinions? Not so much.

I totally reject your conflation of "abusive men" and trans people . Are there trans people who are abusive? Sure. Some trans people are abusive, some cis people are abusive.
most people are not abusive regardless of whether they are trans or cis.