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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The schools still supporting trans ideology behind parents’ backs

97 replies

IwantToRetire · 04/12/2025 19:41

Published within the space of 12 months, the Cass Review and the Supreme Court gender ruling were hailed as fundamental shifts away from the trans ideology that has captured just about every area of British public life.

In schools, however, it has been a different story. According to whistleblowing parents, governors and staff, a pro-trans rearguard action is under way, with activists in schools, local authorities, unions, sex-education groups, charities and other external bodies determined to ensure schools stay “gender affirming”, teaching children they can change sex.

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/04/schools-trans-ideology-children-parents/

And at https://archive.is/sEOb9

(I think most on FWR are aware of this, so posting as much to say even if only the Telegraph it isn't that people aren't aware. More shame on the Government for not getting on with enforcing the Supreme Court ruling.)

The schools still supporting trans ideology behind parents’ backs
OP posts:
WarriorN · 05/12/2025 19:07

MarymaryquiteC · 05/12/2025 09:02

You're most welcome. I'll do a pro trans assembly next Monday.

thought you were on mat leave

WarriorN · 05/12/2025 19:11

MarymaryquiteC · 05/12/2025 08:30

That's the best oxymoron I've heard all week!

you can’t be a teacher as its basically part of KCSIE. And was in 2024. So even if you’ve missed it on May leave you’ll have had to have read kcsie last year

BonfireLady · 05/12/2025 19:18

WarriorN · 05/12/2025 19:07

thought you were on mat leave

It's possible to identify as being on mat leave. Obviously nobody should feel under pressure to make a decision about whether that's the right type of employment benefit for them, so popping back occasionally to deliver the odd assessmbly makes sense.

Edited to add: 🙃

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 19:42

IwantToRetire · 05/12/2025 17:51

The problem with these very obvious disrupters is not only to make threads really, really boring, but also to dumb down the discussion.

So its all yah, boo, sucks or trapping some in to reply to very basic questioning of the sex based rights position.

Which has a second negative impact along with the boredom.

Stopping us all from moving forward from the basics which should be one of the main attractions of FWR.

But no, we all have to endure Groundhog Day over and over again.

You realise 'discussion' doesn't qualify as incessant moaning about not being able to maintain an echo chamber? Perhaps if you were able to offer more relevant contributions for the prolific amount of threads you post might get some traction in at least one of them.

You seem to want to play OP without understanding the purpose of one.

JanesLittleGirl · 05/12/2025 20:30

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 19:42

You realise 'discussion' doesn't qualify as incessant moaning about not being able to maintain an echo chamber? Perhaps if you were able to offer more relevant contributions for the prolific amount of threads you post might get some traction in at least one of them.

You seem to want to play OP without understanding the purpose of one.

Thank you for this highly pertinent and elucidating post. Pity about the grammar. You can only end a sentence with a ? if the sentence is asking a question.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 20:32

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 19:42

You realise 'discussion' doesn't qualify as incessant moaning about not being able to maintain an echo chamber? Perhaps if you were able to offer more relevant contributions for the prolific amount of threads you post might get some traction in at least one of them.

You seem to want to play OP without understanding the purpose of one.

"Discussion" on FWR means moving from Materialist Feminism 101 to the more interesting and less bleeding obvious material, without having to repeatedly spell out what "materialist feminism" even means in the face of people who deny that the material reality of sex even matters and claim that materialist feminism is a form of bigotry.

You repeatedly disrupt threads and you know it. You are being dishonest when you pretend that you don't.

IwantToRetire · 05/12/2025 20:46

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 20:32

"Discussion" on FWR means moving from Materialist Feminism 101 to the more interesting and less bleeding obvious material, without having to repeatedly spell out what "materialist feminism" even means in the face of people who deny that the material reality of sex even matters and claim that materialist feminism is a form of bigotry.

You repeatedly disrupt threads and you know it. You are being dishonest when you pretend that you don't.

You have to wonder as to what is the agenda of those who constantly intervene, not to progress discussion but to bog it down into the mire of misdirection.

OP posts:
HipTightOnions · 05/12/2025 20:51

FrippEnos · 05/12/2025 16:19

Some teachers are pushing this ideology, and they are doing it with the blessing of headteachers.

I know this because I was a teacher and saw it happen.

I have seen the whole school PHSE lessons about gender with the gingerbread man and the unicorn.

I have even seen the LGB groups change in to LGBTQ+ groups taking the LGB kids with them, all whilst having to do the stonewall/allsorts/mermaids inset training.

Yes there has been a push back but you would be a fool to think that it has gone away.

Exactly the same at my school.

(It seems there are indeed a few teachers here Marymary.)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/12/2025 20:56

IwantToRetire · 05/12/2025 20:46

You have to wonder as to what is the agenda of those who constantly intervene, not to progress discussion but to bog it down into the mire of misdirection.

Think you'll find there are certain topics that excite more than others? Running down parents, being rude to parents, implying that some of the most mentally vulnerable children are being badly parented seems to be a bit of a theme.

Parental alienation of vulnerable children from their families runs through transactivism as in a stick of rock. As we can see here.

RepurposedArmSkin · 05/12/2025 21:03

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 04:10

In terms of 'safe guarding', a parent that has literally 'no idea' their child is struggling with their identity AND that their child fears them knowing seems a red flag regarding their competency as a parent.

But never fear, the nanny state is here to take on their parental responsibilities for them…

Ha ha 🤣 @Howseitgoin.

Teens have mental heath issues and need affirmation.

Schools don’t affirm anorexia or bulima or body integrity disorder. But chop off your tits - sure bangin choice!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/12/2025 21:04

HipTightOnions · 05/12/2025 20:51

Exactly the same at my school.

(It seems there are indeed a few teachers here Marymary.)

And some of us have expertise in pastoral care, safeguarding and working with children with eating disorders, anxiety, suicide ideation & self harm (to name just a few). The differing attitudes to how these vulnerable children are dealt with compared to those children believing their bodies are flawed but a sex change might be the cure, is stark.
Schools are very aware how careful they have to be with all the former groups, trying hard to minimise social contagion and ensuring that the appropriate professional support is generated for them.
The latter group are often just thrown to the wolves with certain activist teachers & highly unsuitable trans activist groups in some cases being able to socially transition children - sometimes in secret from their parents.

RepurposedArmSkin · 05/12/2025 21:08

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 08:22

Are you even a parent?

That a child believes they are the opposite sex isn't any where near the same as concealing vaping, drugs or sex. That you would consider such a serious psychological disposition as completely unnoticeable makes me question your ability to parse the bleedin' obvious.

The parents should be able to at least detect something is up. That they are oblivious to their child's psychological suffering AND completely unapproachable for a child to ask for support on such serious issues is their doing not the school, activists or social media or anyone else they want to point the finger at for not developing a trusting communicative relationship let alone being committed enough to notice serious changes in their child's behaviour.

Stop infantilising & making excuses for people who abdicate their responsibilities as parents to burden society with them.

And just so you know, it's not teachers responsibility to play private life snitch because of parental incompetency but educate children particularly when they might be putting their students well being at stake should the parents become abusive. LGBTQ minors are one of the highest risk categories of homelessness that's usually a result of parental rejection. So if its safe guarding you care about you might want to shine the spotlight more on unfit parenting that the rest of society always seem to get stuck cleaning up after.

Edited

“That they are oblivious to their child's psychological suffering”

So you recognise transgender ideology stems from mental health issues?

RepurposedArmSkin · 05/12/2025 21:17

MarymaryquiteC · 05/12/2025 13:00

Yeah I was. I'm on mat leave so nothing better to do tbh. I bet none of you are teachers?

Clearly a trans identifying man. They are trans women and it follows they are women. Women give birth and have maternity leave.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 05/12/2025 21:51

JanesLittleGirl · 05/12/2025 20:30

Thank you for this highly pertinent and elucidating post. Pity about the grammar. You can only end a sentence with a ? if the sentence is asking a question.

You can? Howse posts an awful lot of nonsense, but their colloquial English in that post was perfectly understandable for once.

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 21:54

RepurposedArmSkin · 05/12/2025 21:08

“That they are oblivious to their child's psychological suffering”

So you recognise transgender ideology stems from mental health issues?

Not at all. Unlike armchair 'experts' I defer to world medical experts in psychology like the American Psychological Association who don't classify trans identity as a mental disorder.

The 'suffering' is in reference to gender dysphoria which is a result of gender incongruence.

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 22:01

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 20:32

"Discussion" on FWR means moving from Materialist Feminism 101 to the more interesting and less bleeding obvious material, without having to repeatedly spell out what "materialist feminism" even means in the face of people who deny that the material reality of sex even matters and claim that materialist feminism is a form of bigotry.

You repeatedly disrupt threads and you know it. You are being dishonest when you pretend that you don't.

Really? Please point to MN guidelines that confirm this particular limitation on discussion of feminist thought?

The arrogance in the assumption of speaking for all feminists is breathtaking but certainly not unexpected from GC ideology. Ironically, it mirrors patriarchal prescriptivism.

JanesLittleGirl · 05/12/2025 22:31

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 05/12/2025 21:51

You can? Howse posts an awful lot of nonsense, but their colloquial English in that post was perfectly understandable for once.

In my opinion, Howse is a PITA who posts unmitigated bilge for shits and gigs. I used to engage but have realised that I am just feeding Howse's urge. I have also experienced deletions where Howse or someone else feels that I have crossed the line. I now try to respond with an ODFOD without saying ODFOD

The grammar reference in my last post was to Howse's sentence: "You realise 'discussion' doesn't qualify as incessant moaning about not being able to maintain an echo chamber?"

Howse loves Howse's use of English. I was simply taking the piss out of ending a statement with a ? as if that turned it into a question.

Long story short. I think that Howse is a right Crown and Anchor but I'm not allowed to tell him that.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 05/12/2025 22:48

JanesLittleGirl · 05/12/2025 22:31

In my opinion, Howse is a PITA who posts unmitigated bilge for shits and gigs. I used to engage but have realised that I am just feeding Howse's urge. I have also experienced deletions where Howse or someone else feels that I have crossed the line. I now try to respond with an ODFOD without saying ODFOD

The grammar reference in my last post was to Howse's sentence: "You realise 'discussion' doesn't qualify as incessant moaning about not being able to maintain an echo chamber?"

Howse loves Howse's use of English. I was simply taking the piss out of ending a statement with a ? as if that turned it into a question.

Long story short. I think that Howse is a right Crown and Anchor but I'm not allowed to tell him that.

Your conclusion is correct imho.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 23:03

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 22:01

Really? Please point to MN guidelines that confirm this particular limitation on discussion of feminist thought?

The arrogance in the assumption of speaking for all feminists is breathtaking but certainly not unexpected from GC ideology. Ironically, it mirrors patriarchal prescriptivism.

  1. You are conflating a restriction on posting topics with a desire to discuss topics to a more advanced extent without disruption. They are not the same thing and you are dishonest when you pretend that they are.
  2. That you cause disruption is is the observable consensus of most active posters, as evidenced by the collective sigh that can be heard from space every time you post. See also: posts on this very thread from Janes, Retire, and ROGC.

You aren't so much failing to read the room as closing your eyes, jamming your fingers in your ears, and singing "la la la I can't hear or see how pissed off you all are with me".

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 23:31

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 23:03

  1. You are conflating a restriction on posting topics with a desire to discuss topics to a more advanced extent without disruption. They are not the same thing and you are dishonest when you pretend that they are.
  2. That you cause disruption is is the observable consensus of most active posters, as evidenced by the collective sigh that can be heard from space every time you post. See also: posts on this very thread from Janes, Retire, and ROGC.

You aren't so much failing to read the room as closing your eyes, jamming your fingers in your ears, and singing "la la la I can't hear or see how pissed off you all are with me".

Edited

Lol 'popularity rules'. I have no words….

There are literally no other large discussion forums that would dare to make such bizarre claims about how discussion works because most people understand echo chambers are antithetical to discussion.

Did it ever occur to you 'the disruption ' is a result of the engagement of others rather than my posting which is always relevant to the topic as opposed to others you seem to conveniently ignore? And given you yourself claim that this dominates threads that's counter to your claim of 'popular' dissatisfaction?

The spectacular irony of on one hand crying about censorship of GC views but on the other demanding opposing voices be silenced is certainly on form with the incoherence of this ideology. The fact that their adherents can't bear to even skip over comments that challenge their views is really revealing about the ability to self analyse…..a core tenet of truth seeking. Only cults are made in such ways…

JanesLittleGirl · 05/12/2025 23:45

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 23:31

Lol 'popularity rules'. I have no words….

There are literally no other large discussion forums that would dare to make such bizarre claims about how discussion works because most people understand echo chambers are antithetical to discussion.

Did it ever occur to you 'the disruption ' is a result of the engagement of others rather than my posting which is always relevant to the topic as opposed to others you seem to conveniently ignore? And given you yourself claim that this dominates threads that's counter to your claim of 'popular' dissatisfaction?

The spectacular irony of on one hand crying about censorship of GC views but on the other demanding opposing voices be silenced is certainly on form with the incoherence of this ideology. The fact that their adherents can't bear to even skip over comments that challenge their views is really revealing about the ability to self analyse…..a core tenet of truth seeking. Only cults are made in such ways…

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@selffellatingouroborosofhate Schoolchild error.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 23:53

JanesLittleGirl · 05/12/2025 23:45

@selffellatingouroborosofhate Schoolchild error.

Yeah, I know. I keep promising myself that I'll stop engaging, and can never quite manage it.

https://xkcd.com/386/ seems appropriate.

JanesLittleGirl · 06/12/2025 00:04

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 23:53

Yeah, I know. I keep promising myself that I'll stop engaging, and can never quite manage it.

https://xkcd.com/386/ seems appropriate.

Edited

I know. I so want to respond with "Well that's a load of illconsidered bollocks because...." but that is exactly what feeds the fucker. I'm trying a more de minimus approach.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 06/12/2025 00:08

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 23:31

Lol 'popularity rules'. I have no words….

There are literally no other large discussion forums that would dare to make such bizarre claims about how discussion works because most people understand echo chambers are antithetical to discussion.

Did it ever occur to you 'the disruption ' is a result of the engagement of others rather than my posting which is always relevant to the topic as opposed to others you seem to conveniently ignore? And given you yourself claim that this dominates threads that's counter to your claim of 'popular' dissatisfaction?

The spectacular irony of on one hand crying about censorship of GC views but on the other demanding opposing voices be silenced is certainly on form with the incoherence of this ideology. The fact that their adherents can't bear to even skip over comments that challenge their views is really revealing about the ability to self analyse…..a core tenet of truth seeking. Only cults are made in such ways…

Edited

It's disruption when a poster consistently tries to take threads away from their original focus. They could start a new thread to discuss whatever it is they wish to highlight or express. But some posters delight in trying to take an existing thread over and getting it focussed on them and their agenda. It's possible to hijack a thread accidentally – and I'm guilty of having done so, and I apologise if I have annoyed people. But when a particular poster gets a well deserved reputation for disrupting threads and manipulating them to serve their own agenda, he or she would do well to engage in a little self reflection.

HildegardP · 06/12/2025 00:16

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/12/2025 23:53

Yeah, I know. I keep promising myself that I'll stop engaging, and can never quite manage it.

https://xkcd.com/386/ seems appropriate.

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Skip over the bait. As soon as you see his name, titter gently to yourself & scroll on to find more informed, less tediously prolix contributions.

Swipe left for the next trending thread