Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The schools still supporting trans ideology behind parents’ backs

97 replies

IwantToRetire · 04/12/2025 19:41

Published within the space of 12 months, the Cass Review and the Supreme Court gender ruling were hailed as fundamental shifts away from the trans ideology that has captured just about every area of British public life.

In schools, however, it has been a different story. According to whistleblowing parents, governors and staff, a pro-trans rearguard action is under way, with activists in schools, local authorities, unions, sex-education groups, charities and other external bodies determined to ensure schools stay “gender affirming”, teaching children they can change sex.

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/04/schools-trans-ideology-children-parents/

And at https://archive.is/sEOb9

(I think most on FWR are aware of this, so posting as much to say even if only the Telegraph it isn't that people aren't aware. More shame on the Government for not getting on with enforcing the Supreme Court ruling.)

The schools still supporting trans ideology behind parents’ backs
OP posts:
MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 00:17

It's important that the Telegraph is reporting this. Transactivists are desperate to keep their influence on children and schools - just look at the wailing about the horror of the GG returning to focusing on girls. 🙄

Derailing parents talking about this is a key tactic. Sneering at parents discussing safeguarding another. You can see the tactics from outer space.

I find it helpful to think of a class of 30 children with an irritating child determined to centre discussion and attention on himself, derailing and disrupting so that everyone gives up contributing because of so many bad faith interventions. We can all help by returning the discussions to the thread topic.

It is deliberate, it targets women on here specifically and it's always unpleasant about women and parents.

Hopefully the rest of the press will pick this issue up (the Telegraph article). Parents must be supported in safeguarding their children from getting caught up in the belief that sex change is a positive option for them in dealing with their pubertal angst.

Howseitgoin · 06/12/2025 00:24

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 06/12/2025 00:08

It's disruption when a poster consistently tries to take threads away from their original focus. They could start a new thread to discuss whatever it is they wish to highlight or express. But some posters delight in trying to take an existing thread over and getting it focussed on them and their agenda. It's possible to hijack a thread accidentally – and I'm guilty of having done so, and I apologise if I have annoyed people. But when a particular poster gets a well deserved reputation for disrupting threads and manipulating them to serve their own agenda, he or she would do well to engage in a little self reflection.

The thread is titled:

"-schools-still-supporting-trans-ideology-behind-parents-backs"

Where is the irrelevance in marvelling at parental ignorance AND OBLIGATION to have some sort of inkling of their children's mental health?

'The nerve of the school to go behind our backs & not inform us of the obvious!!!

It's the same old with fascist ideologies, scapegoat others in order to deflect any responsibility.

JanesLittleGirl · 06/12/2025 00:31

Howseitgoin · 06/12/2025 00:24

The thread is titled:

"-schools-still-supporting-trans-ideology-behind-parents-backs"

Where is the irrelevance in marvelling at parental ignorance AND OBLIGATION to have some sort of inkling of their children's mental health?

'The nerve of the school to go behind our backs & not inform us of the obvious!!!

It's the same old with fascist ideologies, scapegoat others in order to deflect any responsibility.

It is now officially the panto season so I can respond with OH NO IT ISN'T!

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 06/12/2025 00:43

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 00:17

It's important that the Telegraph is reporting this. Transactivists are desperate to keep their influence on children and schools - just look at the wailing about the horror of the GG returning to focusing on girls. 🙄

Derailing parents talking about this is a key tactic. Sneering at parents discussing safeguarding another. You can see the tactics from outer space.

I find it helpful to think of a class of 30 children with an irritating child determined to centre discussion and attention on himself, derailing and disrupting so that everyone gives up contributing because of so many bad faith interventions. We can all help by returning the discussions to the thread topic.

It is deliberate, it targets women on here specifically and it's always unpleasant about women and parents.

Hopefully the rest of the press will pick this issue up (the Telegraph article). Parents must be supported in safeguarding their children from getting caught up in the belief that sex change is a positive option for them in dealing with their pubertal angst.

Parents must be supported in safeguarding their children from getting caught up in the belief that sex change is a positive option for them in dealing with their pubertal angst.

Parents must also not be led to believe that their daughter is gender dysphoric when in fact the daughter is trying to escape growing into a woman and hence having a target painted on her back for every sexist prick out there to cat-call her. They must not be led to believe that their autistic daughter is gender dysphoric when in fact she desperately doesn't want to be sexually assaulted again. I write "again" because autistic women have a 90% lifetime victimisation rate for sexual assault, compared to one in three for women overall. I consider it more likely that an autistic girl has been sexually assaulted than not.

Inadequate support for girls, and especially autistic girls, against sexist men and boys is driving the trans trend in girls. When a child, especially a girl, claims to be trans, the first response should be to screen for sexual assault, not affirm the child's identity.

JanesLittleGirl · 06/12/2025 00:51

@MrsOvertonsWindow @selffellatingouroborosofhate

Thank you for reminding me about the purpose of this thread. I'm sorry for wandering off.

RepurposedArmSkin · 06/12/2025 02:20

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 21:54

Not at all. Unlike armchair 'experts' I defer to world medical experts in psychology like the American Psychological Association who don't classify trans identity as a mental disorder.

The 'suffering' is in reference to gender dysphoria which is a result of gender incongruence.

So they are suffering due to gender dysphoria but that’s a normal part of human life so why is it even referenced by the psychological association?

If I as a woman think I’m Jesus am I suffering historical dysphoria, religious dysphoria, sex related dysphoria or celebrity incongruence?

I’d call it a plain old delusion myself.

deadpan · 06/12/2025 06:00

Howseitgoin · 05/12/2025 08:27

As they also pay for the health care of people's poor health choices. See where this bogus logic goes?

Edited

That's interesting that you compare "gender affirming" treatments to care for poor health choices.

Howseitgoin · 06/12/2025 06:22

deadpan · 06/12/2025 06:00

That's interesting that you compare "gender affirming" treatments to care for poor health choices.

When you only look confirmation bias you will surely find it so of course it's 'interesting' to you…

GreenFriedTomato · 06/12/2025 06:31

HildegardP · 06/12/2025 00:16

Skip over the bait. As soon as you see his name, titter gently to yourself & scroll on to find more informed, less tediously prolix contributions.

I scroll past all of his posts now. I gain nothing from reading them. If everyone did the same, he'd get bored and slither off somewhere else for validation/attention

deadpan · 06/12/2025 07:45

Howseitgoin · 06/12/2025 06:22

When you only look confirmation bias you will surely find it so of course it's 'interesting' to you…

Try and excuse your freudian slip however you like.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 10:12

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 06/12/2025 00:43

Parents must be supported in safeguarding their children from getting caught up in the belief that sex change is a positive option for them in dealing with their pubertal angst.

Parents must also not be led to believe that their daughter is gender dysphoric when in fact the daughter is trying to escape growing into a woman and hence having a target painted on her back for every sexist prick out there to cat-call her. They must not be led to believe that their autistic daughter is gender dysphoric when in fact she desperately doesn't want to be sexually assaulted again. I write "again" because autistic women have a 90% lifetime victimisation rate for sexual assault, compared to one in three for women overall. I consider it more likely that an autistic girl has been sexually assaulted than not.

Inadequate support for girls, and especially autistic girls, against sexist men and boys is driving the trans trend in girls. When a child, especially a girl, claims to be trans, the first response should be to screen for sexual assault, not affirm the child's identity.

Edited

Have you seen TT's take on autism and the puberty blockers trial? Very powerful I thought.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/autistic-children-puberty-blockers-trial/

On threads like this it's apparent that undermining parenting is deliberate tactic. Certain posters.repeatedly mount a determined assault on parents - comments smearing and criticising - very personally targeted. Ironic really as Mumsnet aims to make a parent's life better.

If you can alienate children from the family unit then they're alone, vulnerable and easy prey to every passing predator.

The irony on here is that the undermining comes from adults with no insight into parenting, basic child development / psychology that all parents acquire as we support our kids through the "you've done what?! " years.

Mumsnet can be brilliant for sharing ideas about parenting our children. Sadly posters who vomit their nasty cynical narrative about how awful women and parents are, have nothing to offer these discussions.

Autistic children and the puberty blockers trial - Transgender Trend

Autistic children are particularly vulnerable but there's no evidence in the puberty blockers trial protocol that their needs are understood.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/autistic-children-puberty-blockers-trial/

BonfireLady · 06/12/2025 11:45

On threads like this it's apparent that undermining parenting is deliberate tactic. Certain posters.repeatedly mount a determined assault on parents - comments smearing and criticising - very personally targeted.

Definitely. Although it generally includes some derailing, I don't mind being on the receiving end of it - just as I was above. The person doing it doesn't know me, doesn't really understand anything about my personal circumstances (or those of my daughter) and quite clearly has no intention of empathising. It's a great example of Operation Let Them Speak, particularly for the lurkers who might be in a similar position to me. I'm 3 years in to the journey to support my daughter and I was probably about 9 months into it when I discovered this board. A friend pointed me towards it so that I could learn more about the whole topic of gender identity. I started by lurking.

BonfireLady · 06/12/2025 11:46

Have you seen TT's take on autism and the puberty blockers trial? Very powerful I thought.

It's phenomenal. I found myself literally shouting out "yes!" every time I read another of their absolutely bang on points. It's incredibly well-informed.

BonfireLady · 06/12/2025 12:00

If you can alienate children from the family unit then they're alone, vulnerable and easy prey to every passing predator.

I think this thread makes it pretty easy to put yourself in the shoes of a parent like me and watch what happens when someone who identifies as is a teacher or someone who is just a random anon says things that indicate that they might actively contribute towards that outcome if they ever met your child.

Obviously there is no way of knowing for certain whether that hypothetical situation would have been the intention of the individual or not. It's come up on a thread previously that there are 3 types of adults involved in this process:

a) the ignorant virtue signallers, that don't really what they are contributing to
b) the political activists that maybe haven't thought that through either. Or who have and genuinely believe that they are saving a child from bad people
c) active and dangerous groomers, whose intention is specifically to isolate a vulnerable child, for their own gains. Whether that's to indirectly further their cause or to for something direct and even more nefarious

BonfireLady · 06/12/2025 12:19

*typo/missing word correction...

a) the ignorant virtue signallers, that don't really know/understand what they are contributing to

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 06/12/2025 12:59

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 10:12

Have you seen TT's take on autism and the puberty blockers trial? Very powerful I thought.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/autistic-children-puberty-blockers-trial/

On threads like this it's apparent that undermining parenting is deliberate tactic. Certain posters.repeatedly mount a determined assault on parents - comments smearing and criticising - very personally targeted. Ironic really as Mumsnet aims to make a parent's life better.

If you can alienate children from the family unit then they're alone, vulnerable and easy prey to every passing predator.

The irony on here is that the undermining comes from adults with no insight into parenting, basic child development / psychology that all parents acquire as we support our kids through the "you've done what?! " years.

Mumsnet can be brilliant for sharing ideas about parenting our children. Sadly posters who vomit their nasty cynical narrative about how awful women and parents are, have nothing to offer these discussions.

This is brilliant, especially the parts about autistic girls being world champion maskers and autistic kids not even realising that they are masking.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2025 13:16

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 06/12/2025 12:59

This is brilliant, especially the parts about autistic girls being world champion maskers and autistic kids not even realising that they are masking.

It's really informative isn't it. It's shocking that so many schools don't see this when they look at the cohort and often enable these vulnerable children to get access to the very worst individuals / organisations. Groups with a vested interest in removing safeguarding from them.

BonfireLady · 07/12/2025 09:03

I've been reflecting on some of my own IRL conversations (after this was mentioned earlier in the thread) and wanted to pick something up from the last paragraph in the article. Underlining is mine.

“We recognise that social transition is not a neutral act ... Our approach is cautious, child-centred and evidence-informed. In line with our policy, pupils who are questioning their gender are encouraged and supported to talk to their parents. Parents are always informed, and permission is sought where a pupil requests specific changes that would amount to social transition.”

I have previously been referred to Children's Services by the school, because they felt that my "views" on gender identity put my daughter at risk.

In the first phone call, right at the start of what turned out to be some very interesting and positive conversations with the CS team (not easy, but ultimately positive), our assigned case worker listened to my concerns about autism-related puberty distress being conflated with gender identity. She was sympathetic to this and told me that she had lots of experience working with children like my daughter. She then went on to say that what was really important was to take things one step at a time, that there should never be any pressure to go to the next step, that children might want to only do one thing (change name, change clothes, change pronouns) before doing more...

She clearly felt very confident that this was a cautious approach and that I was in good hands with her.

For context, my daughter has worn clothes from the boys' section since she was about 6. She started using a "gender neutral" nickname in school about 3 years ago. She used it at home for a while too but eventually told us we may as well carry on using her usual nickname at home and with family. I said all this to the case worker, who seemed positively delighted.

I also explained that my daughter has not been actively gender questioning since the end of 2022 but remains at significant risk of her autism-related puberty distress being conflated with gender identity by professionals. I explained that her current needs had nothing to do with gender identity because we had already been on a journey to establish this and were continuing to support her mental health with what she does need. This conversation was in 2024, well after the root cause of my daughter's 2022 mental health crisis had been unpicked by CAMHS.

It was when I told the case worker that we had told her from the start that it was important not to change pronouns while she explored her feelings that there was a sharp intake of breath from the case worker - and a negative shift in her tone. She went into some kind of monologue about how important it was to listen to children, to support them etc. It got even more bizarre because she started talking about families who stop their children doing hobbies and force them to do others. She asked me how I would handle things if my daughter wanted to cut her hair (I told her my daughter already had short hair) or wanted to do things that girls don't normally do (I said she played for a football team and asked the case worker if that was the kind of thing that she meant..... yes, it was...).

I said that everything she had just mentioned related to stereotypes and that yes, I had been listening to my daughter. That no, my daughter had not been on a "step by step" journey because to frame it like that would be to suggest that there was a next step, then a next... and so on. I referred to the Cass Report stating that social transition was not a neutral act and that this was why it was important that my daughter had explored her thoughts about her body (when she was actively gender questioning) without moving away from the reality of being female. The very notion of taking it one step at a time presupposes that the child might not "be" the sex that they are. It also relies on stereotypes throughout, locking in the idea that short hair, wearing "boys' clothes" and playing football could be indicators that you're not a girl. FFS. Sexism 21st century style.

Thankfully, this was the start of what turned out to be a good outcome. It had some uncomfortable moments, mostly because it was very clear that there was a script that parents were expected to follow - and I was not doing that. (It got escalated within the service at one point, presumably after an internal team discussion, and I had to work hard in difficult conversations to keep everything tethered to common sense and safeguarding).

This whole ridiculous situation happened during a window of about 5 months, during which the school finally showed its hand. I had previously been liaising with the school to address how they supported children like my daughter... Some progress was being made but it was suspiciously slow , despite some early positive monemtum. Even with the optimism I felt at that early time, I always had it in the back of my mind that I should eventually expect to hit a blocker and for it to get difficult.

When I look at the underlined words in the quote above, I think of parents like me being "informed" and "permission" being "sought". What this means in reality is that there is only one outcome permitted - unquestioning agreement to socially transition your child. If you don't agree, you'll be managed as a danger to your own child.

Luckily, we were sufficiently far past my daughter's active gender questioning period by this point that I could stand my ground. But there will be plenty of parents who feel they just need to do as they are told because they don't know what else to do. Had I not already found this board and also sought out other sources of information about gender identity, I would likely still have been feeling as lost as I did back in 2022.

WarriorN · 07/12/2025 10:13

You are a total hero for advocating so much for your daughter and dealing with such deeply ingrained ideology @BonfireLady.

Its a massive safeguarding failure when parents have to fight so hard to keep their children safe in such a way, a risk being seen as the risk themselves!

this government are failing children and parents with their inaction, daily.

IwantToRetire · 07/12/2025 21:56

BonfireLady · 07/12/2025 09:03

I've been reflecting on some of my own IRL conversations (after this was mentioned earlier in the thread) and wanted to pick something up from the last paragraph in the article. Underlining is mine.

“We recognise that social transition is not a neutral act ... Our approach is cautious, child-centred and evidence-informed. In line with our policy, pupils who are questioning their gender are encouraged and supported to talk to their parents. Parents are always informed, and permission is sought where a pupil requests specific changes that would amount to social transition.”

I have previously been referred to Children's Services by the school, because they felt that my "views" on gender identity put my daughter at risk.

In the first phone call, right at the start of what turned out to be some very interesting and positive conversations with the CS team (not easy, but ultimately positive), our assigned case worker listened to my concerns about autism-related puberty distress being conflated with gender identity. She was sympathetic to this and told me that she had lots of experience working with children like my daughter. She then went on to say that what was really important was to take things one step at a time, that there should never be any pressure to go to the next step, that children might want to only do one thing (change name, change clothes, change pronouns) before doing more...

She clearly felt very confident that this was a cautious approach and that I was in good hands with her.

For context, my daughter has worn clothes from the boys' section since she was about 6. She started using a "gender neutral" nickname in school about 3 years ago. She used it at home for a while too but eventually told us we may as well carry on using her usual nickname at home and with family. I said all this to the case worker, who seemed positively delighted.

I also explained that my daughter has not been actively gender questioning since the end of 2022 but remains at significant risk of her autism-related puberty distress being conflated with gender identity by professionals. I explained that her current needs had nothing to do with gender identity because we had already been on a journey to establish this and were continuing to support her mental health with what she does need. This conversation was in 2024, well after the root cause of my daughter's 2022 mental health crisis had been unpicked by CAMHS.

It was when I told the case worker that we had told her from the start that it was important not to change pronouns while she explored her feelings that there was a sharp intake of breath from the case worker - and a negative shift in her tone. She went into some kind of monologue about how important it was to listen to children, to support them etc. It got even more bizarre because she started talking about families who stop their children doing hobbies and force them to do others. She asked me how I would handle things if my daughter wanted to cut her hair (I told her my daughter already had short hair) or wanted to do things that girls don't normally do (I said she played for a football team and asked the case worker if that was the kind of thing that she meant..... yes, it was...).

I said that everything she had just mentioned related to stereotypes and that yes, I had been listening to my daughter. That no, my daughter had not been on a "step by step" journey because to frame it like that would be to suggest that there was a next step, then a next... and so on. I referred to the Cass Report stating that social transition was not a neutral act and that this was why it was important that my daughter had explored her thoughts about her body (when she was actively gender questioning) without moving away from the reality of being female. The very notion of taking it one step at a time presupposes that the child might not "be" the sex that they are. It also relies on stereotypes throughout, locking in the idea that short hair, wearing "boys' clothes" and playing football could be indicators that you're not a girl. FFS. Sexism 21st century style.

Thankfully, this was the start of what turned out to be a good outcome. It had some uncomfortable moments, mostly because it was very clear that there was a script that parents were expected to follow - and I was not doing that. (It got escalated within the service at one point, presumably after an internal team discussion, and I had to work hard in difficult conversations to keep everything tethered to common sense and safeguarding).

This whole ridiculous situation happened during a window of about 5 months, during which the school finally showed its hand. I had previously been liaising with the school to address how they supported children like my daughter... Some progress was being made but it was suspiciously slow , despite some early positive monemtum. Even with the optimism I felt at that early time, I always had it in the back of my mind that I should eventually expect to hit a blocker and for it to get difficult.

When I look at the underlined words in the quote above, I think of parents like me being "informed" and "permission" being "sought". What this means in reality is that there is only one outcome permitted - unquestioning agreement to socially transition your child. If you don't agree, you'll be managed as a danger to your own child.

Luckily, we were sufficiently far past my daughter's active gender questioning period by this point that I could stand my ground. But there will be plenty of parents who feel they just need to do as they are told because they don't know what else to do. Had I not already found this board and also sought out other sources of information about gender identity, I would likely still have been feeling as lost as I did back in 2022.

This is so thoughtful and powerful.

Thanks for posting.

And maybe somehow should be book marked because I am sure there will be other threads where posters are looking for advice in relation to a child questioning their "gender".

(This is where I think the sleight of hand of TRAs saying sex and gender are the same has been so damaging. If we have all withstood this political assault on language, children would grow up knowing that sex is a biological fact, and that gender is a concept which they can challenge, conform to, and mix.Unless and until gender stereotypes are totally done away with, we can begin to see whether given a free choice about "gender presentation" some people are truely alienated from the body.)

OP posts:
BonfireLady · 08/12/2025 20:43

@WarriorN @IwantToRetire Thank you.

It's been really helpful that I've had slow and careful conversations there over the last couple of years because it feels like I've built up enough key relationships to (hopefully 🤞) hold off the worst of it. I still sometimes have wobbles about the staff who seem to be "on my side" (for want of a better phrase) but I appreciate that it's a complete shitshow above them in the school hierarchy and at a national level.

I feel exasperated at the safeguarding gaps that the government is leaving with its wishy washy approach. The mess came in under the Tories' watch but just as they were getting themselves lined up to address it, the Labour government took the reins and delivered... nothing. There will definitely be schools that have had an epiphany and are actively embracing the direction of travel that the Tories had set in motion. But sadly there are clearly plenty that are ignorantly or willfully acting in ways that are isolating vulnerable children from their parents and who are championing these children into the pathway of the gender clinics.

There seems to be little if any awareness of this problem at Bridget Phillipson's and Keir Starmer's level. Either it's being very well hidden from them or it's politically inconvenient for them to see it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/12/2025 21:24

BonfireLady · 08/12/2025 20:43

@WarriorN @IwantToRetire Thank you.

It's been really helpful that I've had slow and careful conversations there over the last couple of years because it feels like I've built up enough key relationships to (hopefully 🤞) hold off the worst of it. I still sometimes have wobbles about the staff who seem to be "on my side" (for want of a better phrase) but I appreciate that it's a complete shitshow above them in the school hierarchy and at a national level.

I feel exasperated at the safeguarding gaps that the government is leaving with its wishy washy approach. The mess came in under the Tories' watch but just as they were getting themselves lined up to address it, the Labour government took the reins and delivered... nothing. There will definitely be schools that have had an epiphany and are actively embracing the direction of travel that the Tories had set in motion. But sadly there are clearly plenty that are ignorantly or willfully acting in ways that are isolating vulnerable children from their parents and who are championing these children into the pathway of the gender clinics.

There seems to be little if any awareness of this problem at Bridget Phillipson's and Keir Starmer's level. Either it's being very well hidden from them or it's politically inconvenient for them to see it.

I think the Helen Joyce observation about the impact of parents / relatives of children caught up in all this on the workplace is critical - including in politics. Isn't Stephen Kinnock one? It must be incredibly difficult to have the open discussions about safeguarding, grooming, age inappropriate issues, mental health etc that you must have when you consider children in all this with someone sitting there with a child caught up in it all. Easier just to keep quiet?

I'm not defending this shower at all for their lack of action - but am sure it's an unacknowledged complicating factor.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread