Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

So good to come here and read this, thought I was in some crazy parallel universe reading the email and all the comments about how tragic this is on Facebook.

There was a comment on that LinkedIn, along the lines of, what next, girls being thrown out because they like lighting fires and getting muddy.

Totally giving the, highly sexist, game away, that she knows full well that trans girls are boys, not girls.

So many people are outraged precisely because they know these are boys.

The logic is painful. Using their own, embedded, gender stereotyping to complain about gender stereotyping.

The letter is appalling.

They show no remorse, no understanding that what they were doing before was wrong and they still have no concept of safeguarding.

I wouldn't let my kids near this organisation.

I've got a sense, maybe misguided, that organisations such as the Girl Guides and the Women's Institute may be home to some women whose husband's are AGP/cross dressers ( there are clearly a lot of men who engage with this practice), and we know how emotionally manipulative and demanding such men can be. See the Trans Widows thread.

Brings to mind 'The Beaumont Society' which used to be the premier organisation for cross dressing men (and their wives) - but which has now transformed itself into a fully fledged trans organisation. Women who have been railroaded in this way could well be more prone to making excuses for such men. Why else would a woman go along to a weekend retreat, the sole purpose of which was to provide a setting for her husband to crioss dress and play act along with other such men?

Who are the lead voices in this organisation, do you know the names?

Girls have humanity too. 'Girls only' groups/school/sporting events evolved to provide girls with the sorts of opportunities and activities that would once have been largely closed to them. They also provide girls respite from the sexual attention of male people, and the inhibitive atmosphere that can sometimes be engendered when males and females mix together. A lot of this comes down to safeguarding.

Girl only groups evolved to provide girls a setting for becoming involved with activities and oportunities previously closed to them. They also act as a safeguarding measure for the sorts of vulnerabilities to which girls can be particularly prone.

Yes, you'd think that it was a hospital ITU or something - nominally allocated to one group but cruelly denying access to an emergency involving somebody from outside that group whose life was hanging in the balance!

It's not like this is the only leisure/social activity club in the country that's available to children; there are numerous ones - some for girls, some for boys and some mixed, so everybody is served. Even if there isn't anything that suits/appeals anywhere near your area, there's nothing stopping you from setting one up.

It's a bit like wailing and gnashing your teeth about being forced to starve to death because a local branch of Asda is closing down, when there's a huge Tesco right next door!

There was a poster on here once who described how the one evening per week at old school female-only Guides was the only place she ever felt safe in her childhood (she was being sexually abused by a male relative at home).

I thought of her when I read of the GG HQ's "heavy heart".

If you look at school playgrounds, they are very frequently dominated by boys playing football across the major part of them, whilst girls are forced out to the fringes, still having to avoid flying footballs. This is just addressing the same frequent issue in a club context.

Obviously there are boys who don't want to join in the football, and girls who do - who would most probably find themselves best served and 'find their tribe' in one of the various mixed-sex groups, if they find the activities in single-sex clubs for their own sex unappealing.

Does anyone have a share token for this (old, 2022) article about Katie Alcock please?

Trying to share info on the case with a friend. Thanks

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/girlguiding-tied-itself-in-knots-over-trans-rights-kn89nx6xm

This is so important. That girl's needs could only be served by a single sex space.
Parents who claim their boys are trans-identified can send them to do a mixed sex hobby instead. The vast majority of groups for children are mixed sex. Scouts is one example. If they've made friends in Guides, they can stay friends outside of Guides.
So it really is not some kind of awful tragedy to say that this one organisation, set up specifically for girls, should be for girls.

It's like the argument with the Hampstead ladies pond

There is a man's pond
A women's pond
A mixed sex pond

Trans rights activists don't want to use the mixed sex pond
They want the ladies pond to become mixed sex so that they effectively can use 3 ponds and women who can't be in a swimming costume in front of males for religious, trauma or just because of personal reasons have none

Why?

you only ever need to go to archive.ph and put the URL in

https://archive.ph/wJI5g

Here's a different spin on the situation. We hear a lot about adults who have gender dysphoria (both heterosexual males and homosexual males) who seem to have developed it via a cross-dressing incident in their childhoods. Very typical of AGP males.

I wonder whether parents sending their boys off to girl guides actually causes and increases gender dysphoria?

Thanks!

Give it a rest. GG relies on single sex exemption to ensure that its girls only (otherwise they would have to allow boys to join and not just the ones with special feelings). Girls are allowed to have their own stuff and are not responsible for making special boys happy.

Yep….some folks hate being told “no”.

There are a lot of comments about this on the Girlguiding FB page. They have of course now turned off comments due to many comments breaking community guidelines - blatant censorship in action.

https://www.facebook.com/girlguidinguk/?locale=en_GB

It's ironic when you look at the Girl Guide's website that the first thing you see is:

By girls, for girls, powered by volunteers
We give over 300,000 girls from 4-18 a space just for them

It depends on the group tbh (and the ages of the young people)

Ive volunteered at groups where kids and parents are happy to be mixed and others where it’s separated by sex as standard. My hunch would be that most groups if there was a trans scout they would probably be in a tent on their own - most likely because they’d also be ND and wouldn’t want to share a tent anyhow
and you certainly wouldn’t have YP in relationships with each other sharing tents (most likely in explorers age 14-17)

My kids never got to enjoy guiding as I felt it was a safeguarding risk. They are not the only ones.

What about those kids?

They’ve closed comments on the FB announcement, I see. The few ‘this is how it should be to comply with the law and protect girls’ posts have a lot of likes, but are very few, so they clearly wanted to control the narrative. There is one post from a ‘Guider and discrimination lawyer’ who is appalled at the GG’s decision as says that the SC decision is still unsettled law, open to interpretation!!

Also GGs original position massively goes against Cass who doesn't recommend social transition which is the likeliest position a so called trans child will be.

They've very likely not gone down surgery hormones route but Cass says that social transition likely locks this in.

Grown ups need to grown up and I'm glad GG has relented but sad they just can't see things as they are. Unlike scouts GGs isn't mixed sex and there are reasons for that. So you need to uphold those reasons.

the WI have now just seen the light as well

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

though with utmost regret and sadness of course