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"All star charity concert for trans rights"

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FuriousAndFrustrated · 28/11/2025 15:15

Spotted on the Guardian today:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/nov/28/sugababes-sophie-ellis-bextor-wolf-alice-and-more-to-play-all-star-charity-concert-for-trans-rights

Raising money for the kimono-clad fox-killer's "Good" Law Project.

Definitely one to avoid!

Sugababes, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Wolf Alice and more to play all-star charity concert for trans rights

Organised by Olly Alexander and the Mighty Hoopla festival to ‘fight back against the politics of fear and exclusion’, Trans Mission will take place at Wembley Arena in March

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/nov/28/sugababes-sophie-ellis-bextor-wolf-alice-and-more-to-play-all-star-charity-concert-for-trans-rights

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FKAT · 30/11/2025 11:05

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 08:33

It is a very interesting post! I thought artists could only make money by touring these days, so how does anyone make any money out of performing at Wembley Arena? Is the difference economies of scale because they will be touring many venues over many months?

Also, going back to this particular concert, presumably they can broadcast it on Youtube? But how expensive is it to film and broadcast a concert? (I have no idea how many people would have to watch to generate reasonable income).

Yes economy of scale. Putting on a gig for a band of four (say) with the same set list, technical set up, crew and requirements and have done this 10 times already will be a lot cheaper than organising a gig for 20-30 random artists plus paying all their travel and expenses. This is regardless of artist fees.

Plus merch - if you have 12,000 dedicated fans of the artist you are going to sell them a lot of your Tshirts and vinyl versus if you have a rag tag bunch of 12,000 TRAs, disco mums, Green Party cultists and drag queen groupies gathered for a one-off event.

I am sure the headliners will devote their time for free but will their band and crew? Freelance musicians are low paid, have precarious income and need paying gigs. I'm guessing that this kind of event will require backing dancers as well - another group of professionals who have fragile incomes and will be reluctant to take free gigs unless they are desperate. (Remember badly planned, insufficiently rehearsed dance numbers can destroy bodies and careers).

Artists major revenue stream is touring these days because of streaming /near death of physical media. Post-pandemic, live events have become even more popular than ever. But that doesn't mean its massively lucrative and you make Rolling Stones money. It's expensive to put on live events because of venue costs, energy costs and other requirements (after Manchester Arena for example, there are a lot more laws around security that venues have to comply with - this costs). YouTube streaming revenue is tiny compared to what even small record deals would bring in 20 years ago. Plus there are, quite simply, a lot more famous musicians touring than there used to be. It's not that big a deal to see this group of musicians - compared to seeing Mick and Bowie duet at LiveAid or Pink Floyd reunite for Live 8.

The other thing they will be looking at is sponsorship but corporates are moving away from the arts in general (too much brand risk - see BP/Bailie Gifford) and from the TRAs in particularly - Barclays pulling out was what killed Liverpool Pride. And what benefit would a brand get from this one-day event?

Sorry this is long and possibly even more boring but I do look at this and think 'what are you thinking? It's not 2008 any more!'. I know that neither the TRAs nor Jolyon are great commercial strategists. That said JM is a tax lawyer so maybe he knows something I don't about a tax angle.

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 11:16

Is Maugham deliberately misleading people by calling GLP a 'non-profit' company.

I think 'non-profit' might have a more specific meaning in countries like the US, but as far as I understand it, all it means in the UK is 'a company that hasn't made a profit'.

The GLP website claims that

Charities in the UK are bound by regulations to make sure they focus on the public benefit. These rules are often flouted, but they’re very strictly drawn around political campaigning.

I don't really understand why the rules on politics and charities would be overly restrictive for an organisation like the GLP.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/political-activity-and-campaigning-by-charities#the-rules-on-political-activity

The main restriction seems to be that they can't promote a political party or candidate, however "Charities can support a policy that is supported by a political party or candidate. You can work with political parties or candidates to influence their decisions, provided this supports your charity’s purpose and your charity remains independent."

What is prohibitively restrictive about that?

Of course there are stricter rules about charity reporting on finance and related parties...

They say...

We have an asset lock which means any profit goes back into the organisation – not to shareholders or members.

I would imagine that HMRC doesn't pay much attention to this 'asset lock'. A profit is a profit, whether or not it is distributed, and there are other ways to extract funds, e.g. if one company were paying another company owned by a related party. This is the kind of thing that would need to be disclosed in charity accounts.

I'm not suggesting Maugham is making millions, just that I think he is offering a rather meally mouthed explanation for avoiding the scrutiny and reporting requirements of the Charity Commission, while throwing around words like 'non profit' to suggest that he is complying with some kind of non-existent regulatory body.

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 11:22

FKAT · 30/11/2025 11:05

Yes economy of scale. Putting on a gig for a band of four (say) with the same set list, technical set up, crew and requirements and have done this 10 times already will be a lot cheaper than organising a gig for 20-30 random artists plus paying all their travel and expenses. This is regardless of artist fees.

Plus merch - if you have 12,000 dedicated fans of the artist you are going to sell them a lot of your Tshirts and vinyl versus if you have a rag tag bunch of 12,000 TRAs, disco mums, Green Party cultists and drag queen groupies gathered for a one-off event.

I am sure the headliners will devote their time for free but will their band and crew? Freelance musicians are low paid, have precarious income and need paying gigs. I'm guessing that this kind of event will require backing dancers as well - another group of professionals who have fragile incomes and will be reluctant to take free gigs unless they are desperate. (Remember badly planned, insufficiently rehearsed dance numbers can destroy bodies and careers).

Artists major revenue stream is touring these days because of streaming /near death of physical media. Post-pandemic, live events have become even more popular than ever. But that doesn't mean its massively lucrative and you make Rolling Stones money. It's expensive to put on live events because of venue costs, energy costs and other requirements (after Manchester Arena for example, there are a lot more laws around security that venues have to comply with - this costs). YouTube streaming revenue is tiny compared to what even small record deals would bring in 20 years ago. Plus there are, quite simply, a lot more famous musicians touring than there used to be. It's not that big a deal to see this group of musicians - compared to seeing Mick and Bowie duet at LiveAid or Pink Floyd reunite for Live 8.

The other thing they will be looking at is sponsorship but corporates are moving away from the arts in general (too much brand risk - see BP/Bailie Gifford) and from the TRAs in particularly - Barclays pulling out was what killed Liverpool Pride. And what benefit would a brand get from this one-day event?

Sorry this is long and possibly even more boring but I do look at this and think 'what are you thinking? It's not 2008 any more!'. I know that neither the TRAs nor Jolyon are great commercial strategists. That said JM is a tax lawyer so maybe he knows something I don't about a tax angle.

Edited

Sorry this is long and possibly even more boring

No, it's all still interesting!

plantcomplex · 30/11/2025 11:43

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 11:16

Is Maugham deliberately misleading people by calling GLP a 'non-profit' company.

I think 'non-profit' might have a more specific meaning in countries like the US, but as far as I understand it, all it means in the UK is 'a company that hasn't made a profit'.

The GLP website claims that

Charities in the UK are bound by regulations to make sure they focus on the public benefit. These rules are often flouted, but they’re very strictly drawn around political campaigning.

I don't really understand why the rules on politics and charities would be overly restrictive for an organisation like the GLP.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/political-activity-and-campaigning-by-charities#the-rules-on-political-activity

The main restriction seems to be that they can't promote a political party or candidate, however "Charities can support a policy that is supported by a political party or candidate. You can work with political parties or candidates to influence their decisions, provided this supports your charity’s purpose and your charity remains independent."

What is prohibitively restrictive about that?

Of course there are stricter rules about charity reporting on finance and related parties...

They say...

We have an asset lock which means any profit goes back into the organisation – not to shareholders or members.

I would imagine that HMRC doesn't pay much attention to this 'asset lock'. A profit is a profit, whether or not it is distributed, and there are other ways to extract funds, e.g. if one company were paying another company owned by a related party. This is the kind of thing that would need to be disclosed in charity accounts.

I'm not suggesting Maugham is making millions, just that I think he is offering a rather meally mouthed explanation for avoiding the scrutiny and reporting requirements of the Charity Commission, while throwing around words like 'non profit' to suggest that he is complying with some kind of non-existent regulatory body.

If you look at Companies House, you can see that the company is limited by guarantee rather than limited by shares.

Brief explanation of the difference:

https://www.gov.uk/limited-company-formation/limited-company-types?step-by-step-nav=37e4c035-b25c-4289-b85c-c6d36d11a763

Set up a private limited company

Incorporate a private limited company - register it with Companies House and rules on directors, shares, articles of association and telling HMRC about the company.

https://www.gov.uk/limited-company-formation/limited-company-types?step-by-step-nav=37e4c035-b25c-4289-b85c-c6d36d11a763

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/11/2025 12:17

JM keeps describing GLP as a "not for profit" but as far as I can see, it is not a charity or a CIC or a co operative or a community benefit society which afaik are the recognised legal NFP structures

like do many things in JM life it identifies as NFP

I think what he means really is it's not for dividend ie it doesn't have shareholders to whom it pays money

Lalgarh · 30/11/2025 12:40

Except him if he's solely in charge?

Chersfrozenface · 30/11/2025 12:55

Ooh, look! Companies House

GOOD LAW PRACTICE LIMITED
Company number 13849662

(Sole director Jolyon Toby Dennis Maugham)

Company status
Active — Active proposal to strike off

Company type
Private limited Company
Incorporated on
14 January 2022

Confirmation statement overdue
Next statement date 5 November 2025
due by 19 November 2025

DrudgeJedd · 30/11/2025 13:14

Chersfrozenface · 30/11/2025 12:55

Ooh, look! Companies House

GOOD LAW PRACTICE LIMITED
Company number 13849662

(Sole director Jolyon Toby Dennis Maugham)

Company status
Active — Active proposal to strike off

Company type
Private limited Company
Incorporated on
14 January 2022

Confirmation statement overdue
Next statement date 5 November 2025
due by 19 November 2025

Yeah, that was a separate company employing in-house solicitors. Not sure why but it's been wound down hence the erratic filing. The strike off notice has been filed for 2nd December 2025.
Nothing to see here (apart from a slight contraction in JoMo's ego-boosting empire)

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 13:16

It's a company limited by guarantee, so there are no share holders and no facility to pay dividends.

It's also possible that none of its activities are taxable.

However, the only reason I can see for not registering as a charity is to avoid scrutiny.

spannasaurus · 30/11/2025 13:24

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 13:16

It's a company limited by guarantee, so there are no share holders and no facility to pay dividends.

It's also possible that none of its activities are taxable.

However, the only reason I can see for not registering as a charity is to avoid scrutiny.

Companies limited by guarantee are not exempt from corporation tax.

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 13:30

spannasaurus · 30/11/2025 13:24

Companies limited by guarantee are not exempt from corporation tax.

No, but I think they can argue that they as they aren't charging for services, they aren't trading.

spannasaurus · 30/11/2025 13:34

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 13:30

No, but I think they can argue that they as they aren't charging for services, they aren't trading.

If they make a profit they are trading and would pay tax.

DrudgeJedd · 30/11/2025 13:35

WarriorN · 30/11/2025 08:20

Watching with interest the numbers of performers who suddenly have Drs orders to rest their voice

#covidisstillhandy

The witch prickers are already sniffing about, I've seen comments on the GLP insta about BDS, Gaza solidarity & free tickets for trans folx.
Plenty of time for these people to purity spiral this into oblivion. By the time March come around it'll be Olly Alexander, Maugham and the tit wizard with a karaoke machine in the back room of a pub.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/11/2025 13:39

spannasaurus · 30/11/2025 13:34

If they make a profit they are trading and would pay tax.

One would very much hope that someone who was so successful as a tax barrister that he was appointed a KC would understand all this.

FKAT · 30/11/2025 13:43

nicepotoftea · 30/11/2025 13:16

It's a company limited by guarantee, so there are no share holders and no facility to pay dividends.

It's also possible that none of its activities are taxable.

However, the only reason I can see for not registering as a charity is to avoid scrutiny.

At the other end of the scale, Beira's Place, JKR's women only refuge in Edinburgh, was set up as a private company to avoid bad actors weaponising Charity Commission complaints.

TWETMIRF · 30/11/2025 14:27

Busted - She wants to be me

Can't forget about the TIFs

TWETMIRF · 30/11/2025 14:28

Lola by The Kinks! Talks like a woman, walks like a man

FuriousAndFrustrated · 30/11/2025 14:46

I'm loving these suggestions for the set list!

I'll add "Walk Like A Man" by the Four Seasons, and perhaps "Typical Male" by Tina Turner :-)

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TheAutumnCrow · 30/11/2025 14:48

TWETMIRF · 30/11/2025 14:28

Lola by The Kinks! Talks like a woman, walks like a man

I know what I am and I’m glad I’m a man
and so is Lola 🎶

Utter genius by Ray Davies.

Namelessnelly · 30/11/2025 14:53

FuriousAndFrustrated · 30/11/2025 14:46

I'm loving these suggestions for the set list!

I'll add "Walk Like A Man" by the Four Seasons, and perhaps "Typical Male" by Tina Turner :-)

Aerosmith… dude looks like a lady? 😂😂😂😂….

WarriorN · 30/11/2025 15:13

DrudgeJedd · 30/11/2025 13:35

The witch prickers are already sniffing about, I've seen comments on the GLP insta about BDS, Gaza solidarity & free tickets for trans folx.
Plenty of time for these people to purity spiral this into oblivion. By the time March come around it'll be Olly Alexander, Maugham and the tit wizard with a karaoke machine in the back room of a pub.

🤣

ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 30/11/2025 15:32

Josephine by Terrorvision

I asked her what her game was
She said Joe had left the scene
I asked her what her name was
She said, they call me Josephine

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/11/2025 15:43

"A boy named Sue?"
Obviously, "Dude Looks Like a Lady"
(Probably already been said)

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/11/2025 15:47

DrudgeJedd · 30/11/2025 13:35

The witch prickers are already sniffing about, I've seen comments on the GLP insta about BDS, Gaza solidarity & free tickets for trans folx.
Plenty of time for these people to purity spiral this into oblivion. By the time March come around it'll be Olly Alexander, Maugham and the tit wizard with a karaoke machine in the back room of a pub.

Yeah, I mean they're already stretching the term "All Star" as a description for this event. 😂

MrsMitford3 · 30/11/2025 15:50

MistyGreenAndBlue · 30/11/2025 15:47

Yeah, I mean they're already stretching the term "All Star" as a description for this event. 😂

Not the only definition they are stretching...

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