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What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…

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Brewdug · 27/11/2025 00:26

This podcast appeared in my feed today via an affiliated show… I know it is naive but it’s still hard to believe how blinkered - and unbearably smug the US liberal wing is on this. This is rubbish ( from the ‘Center for Investigative Reporting’, which I now wouldn’t trust to tell me if it was raining), but still enlightening… wondered if anyone else had heard it.

A six month dig to discredit Gaines - we’re not supposed to notice that everyone they’re trying to gotcha in this won’t dignify any of it - that finds her hiding (spoiler alert) nothing?

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/reveal/id886009669?i=1000738472306

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 17:01

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 16:48

Why would you think that misandry doesn't exist?

Its fairly clear that there are plenty of women on MN that have a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudiced against men.

Women's justified distrust of men isn't comparable to their tendency to rape and murder us. Hence why no such thing as misandry. Calling women's fear that men might kill us "misandry" is both-sidesism and hence utter nonsense.

viques · 27/11/2025 17:46

Howseitgoin · 27/11/2025 04:56

False. Only Gaines claimed Thomas exposed herself. The other complaints were about Thomas' presence in the change room with individuals in the podcast claiming she was covered in a towel & kept to herself.

And you have claimed this before sighting evidence that said no such thing.

Edited

What does Thomas have to “expose” if Thomas is a woman? I imagine that in Thomas’ mind there is a modestly pixilated area from his belly button to his thighs so that his external genitals are obscured from casual gaze. Sadly for the poor women who were forced to share a changing room with him, his penis was in full view and apparently taking a perky interest in its surroundings.

Datun · 27/11/2025 18:07

You have to laugh. You can barely get a swimming costume on even if it's not a competitive one whilst holding onto a towel. There aren't many women who haven't tried to do exactly that on the beach. Hence those things that tie up with a drawstring round the neck. (And even they don't really work).

I suspect the explanation is that men just don't get it, because all they all they need to do is wrap a towel around their waist, job done.

Not that I think Howse has ever done any swimming or indeed had to get changed for anything athletic.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 27/11/2025 18:38

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 16:48

Why would you think that misandry doesn't exist?

Its fairly clear that there are plenty of women on MN that have a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudiced against men.

I think that like Conservatism comes in little c and big C versions, Misogyny is the same. There's the little daily hates from individuals (little m) and the Big M overarching woman hatred of (for instance) not having female crash dummies, or not testing medications on us, or keeping us in silence in our homes only allowed to look at the world through one eye.

Misandry only comes in little M. There's no systematic man-hating going on anywhere in the world.

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 19:23

GiantTeddyIsTired · 27/11/2025 18:38

I think that like Conservatism comes in little c and big C versions, Misogyny is the same. There's the little daily hates from individuals (little m) and the Big M overarching woman hatred of (for instance) not having female crash dummies, or not testing medications on us, or keeping us in silence in our homes only allowed to look at the world through one eye.

Misandry only comes in little M. There's no systematic man-hating going on anywhere in the world.

I find it amusing that on a thread about a group that has changed definitions of words that we have the same thing going on with the word misandry.

No-one has said that its systemic, or in the case of a pp going to the absolute worst scenario.

The definition of misandry stands without the reasons or explanations that posters wish to put forward.

some women on here are misandrists.

They have a "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudiced against men."

but this is going off topic and I apologise for that.

BedlingtonLint · 27/11/2025 19:24

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 19:23

I find it amusing that on a thread about a group that has changed definitions of words that we have the same thing going on with the word misandry.

No-one has said that its systemic, or in the case of a pp going to the absolute worst scenario.

The definition of misandry stands without the reasons or explanations that posters wish to put forward.

some women on here are misandrists.

They have a "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudiced against men."

but this is going off topic and I apologise for that.

Is it a prejudice when statistics back up that men are responsible for the vast majority of crimes committed against women?

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 19:39

BedlingtonLint · 27/11/2025 19:24

Is it a prejudice when statistics back up that men are responsible for the vast majority of crimes committed against women?

This is the bit where, I'm supposed to say

"Would you be happy putting any other group in that statement?"

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 19:44

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 19:23

I find it amusing that on a thread about a group that has changed definitions of words that we have the same thing going on with the word misandry.

No-one has said that its systemic, or in the case of a pp going to the absolute worst scenario.

The definition of misandry stands without the reasons or explanations that posters wish to put forward.

some women on here are misandrists.

They have a "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudiced against men."

but this is going off topic and I apologise for that.

They have a "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudiced against men."

I think you've seen women expressing fear of male violence and frustration with how male violence limits our lives, and interpreted that fear as contempt, dislike, or prejudice.

When over 95% of murderers are men and 98% of sex offenders are men, and when only a male sex offender can leave only a female victim pregnant against her will, women's fear of men is rational and our frustration at their continued violence is justified.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 19:51

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 19:39

This is the bit where, I'm supposed to say

"Would you be happy putting any other group in that statement?"

Edited

There's no other group that are overrepresented as violent offenders to this extent. We are talking about the male 49% of the population committing over 90% of the murders. It doesn't matter whether you slice up a population by race, religion, sexual orientation, whatever, there is no other group whose members are 9x more likely to murder than their peers outwith that group.

BedlingtonLint · 27/11/2025 20:30

FrippEnos · 27/11/2025 19:39

This is the bit where, I'm supposed to say

"Would you be happy putting any other group in that statement?"

Edited

Yes, if it was backed up by stats.

NecessaryScene · 27/11/2025 20:32

Does it look like we're "happy" putting men in that statement?

It's just true, and women have to deal with it.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 27/11/2025 20:39

Misandry 🙄This is another attempt to put feminists in a negative light for their reasonable reaction to male violence and misogyny.

Rules of misogyny:
12. Women’s ability to recognize male behaviour patterns is misandry.

Datun · 27/11/2025 21:38

Misandry

Well I certainly have dislike and contempt for all men who are violent, sex offenders, predators, bullies, intimidators, lechers, leerers, misogynists, sexists, chauvinists, and not fans of Withnail and I.

The remainder can take a bow.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 27/11/2025 21:42

MistyGreenAndBlue · 27/11/2025 15:37

I was thinking the same. Ime only men believe in misandry. Women usually know it's BS.

Oh, misandry exists all right. The difference compared with misogyny is that misandry rarely does much damage, because of the power imbalance in favour of men. When I say 'rarely', I mean just that; not 'never', but far from 'often'.

TortillaKitty · 27/11/2025 23:51

Helleofabore · 27/11/2025 11:48

I have no problems with journalists getting paid. I also have no issue with women getting paid to campaign. That is the fucking point.

If Riley Gaines had changed what she has been saying over time or was spreading misinformation, I might consider that she was motivated initially by money. But I don’t believe she was.

Why do you believe she should be discredited for being a paid activist? Does it mean what happened to her didn’t happen? Should she not discuss it? Should she not be campaigning to protect female sports?

It is fine, BTW, for a piece to be written critiquing someone you think should be admired.

Is this aimed at me? Have you just assumed that I admire Riley Gaines? Well, I admire her for continuing to campaign after she had to be locked in a store room with security for hours while police finding cleared the building of violent protestors who tried to break down the door of the room she was in. But no. I don’t ’admire’ her more than any other women’s rights campaigner.

I think her activism on behalf of women’s sports is great. The Trumpism, anti-immigration, nationalism, evangelism, mom-is-best messaging - not so much. This is what she is being paid for. And yes, I would consider some of it misinformation, and a good amount of it propaganda.

TortillaKitty · 28/11/2025 00:06

Brefugee · 27/11/2025 13:16

She is a well-paid pundit and lobbyist and this could perhaps be made clearer. It isn’t altruism that is driving her.

bloody hell. She was pretty much cancelled. How the fuck, especially now she has a baby?, is she supposed to earn a living.

Why should she be altruistic? should she live on air and rainbows?

The fact is that the idiots simply cannot countenance anything, any idea or anyone who doesn't 100% agree with them. This is absolutely batshit.

So she is a right-wing conservative christian woman. I probably disagree with her on 90% of political issues. That doesn't make her awful it makes us different.

Likening her to Kirk is provocative.

Where did I liken her to Kirk? It wasn’t me that did that.

But since you brought him up, yes, she is like Charlie Kirk. She was a friend, colleague and associate of his. She travelled around college campuses early on giving speeches with TPUSA arranged by Kirk, and the mode of her media operation of very similar to Kirk’s.

Daytimetellyqueen · 28/11/2025 00:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/11/2025 04:43

And to think this situation could have been avoided if the man involved had respected women and not used the female changing room, whether he flashed anyone or not.

Absolutely!

ThatBlackCat · 28/11/2025 05:19

'misandry' is like 'reverse racism'. It doesn't really exist and it's a term that is really only used by misogynists to insinuate women and feminists are 'men haters'.

Legobricksinatub · 28/11/2025 07:20

ThatBlackCat · 28/11/2025 05:19

'misandry' is like 'reverse racism'. It doesn't really exist and it's a term that is really only used by misogynists to insinuate women and feminists are 'men haters'.

You don’t think ‘reverse racism’ was involved in how the victims of grooming gangs were chosen? People declare that white people can’t be the victim of racism because they have power, but that is not always the case and increasingly not the case in many communities.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 28/11/2025 08:50

NRTFT and I’m sure it’s already been mentioned…
…but anyone who thinks it’s possible to stay under a towel while changing into and out of a contemporary competitive racesuit (a highly specialist tightly fitted compression garment) is a moron whose only swimming experience likely involved arm bands on a Bank Holiday at Butlins.

Riley Gains would be completely unknown if Lia Thomas hadn’t gatecrashed Riley’s swim league and cut such a hulking figure on the podium that the image went viral internationally.
If anyone has an issue with Gains making the best of a bad situation and using her 15 minutes of accidental fame as springboard to becoming a Republican media commentator then they really need to take it up with Lia.

If Lia had just stayed in his lane (the men’s competition) Riley-the-Media-Figure would never have been born.

🤷‍♀️

Screenshot source: www.simplyswim.com/pages/racing-swimwear-advice

What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…
What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…
Valeriekat · 28/11/2025 08:51

Howseitgoin · 27/11/2025 04:41

Interesting. Lot's of red flags about Gaines.

Gaines complained initially about competing with trans women but as she was deployed as a right wing political operative during Trump's campaign her story 'evolved' into one about sexual assault for being in the presence of an exposed trans women in the swim change rooms. All while ignoring the environment of sexual assault & abuse of her team mates at the time by her coach who she lauded as her close friend & mentor.

Gaines only claimed much later Thomas was exposing herself in the change rooms but her teams mates claim she was wrapped in a towel changing away from the others.

Whatever you think about women in sport, this appears to be another example of trans women being weaponised as a political cudgel rather than any real concern about protecting women given sexual abuse of women in sport is a common problem.

She had graduated from college by then. She has been subjected to horrible abuse by transactivists.

Daytimetellyqueen · 28/11/2025 08:52

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 28/11/2025 08:50

NRTFT and I’m sure it’s already been mentioned…
…but anyone who thinks it’s possible to stay under a towel while changing into and out of a contemporary competitive racesuit (a highly specialist tightly fitted compression garment) is a moron whose only swimming experience likely involved arm bands on a Bank Holiday at Butlins.

Riley Gains would be completely unknown if Lia Thomas hadn’t gatecrashed Riley’s swim league and cut such a hulking figure on the podium that the image went viral internationally.
If anyone has an issue with Gains making the best of a bad situation and using her 15 minutes of accidental fame as springboard to becoming a Republican media commentator then they really need to take it up with Lia.

If Lia had just stayed in his lane (the men’s competition) Riley-the-Media-Figure would never have been born.

🤷‍♀️

Screenshot source: www.simplyswim.com/pages/racing-swimwear-advice

Absolutely @TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown

Brefugee · 28/11/2025 15:22

TortillaKitty · 28/11/2025 00:06

Where did I liken her to Kirk? It wasn’t me that did that.

But since you brought him up, yes, she is like Charlie Kirk. She was a friend, colleague and associate of his. She travelled around college campuses early on giving speeches with TPUSA arranged by Kirk, and the mode of her media operation of very similar to Kirk’s.

that is why i only quoted part of your post.

Likening her to Charlie Kirk is a dogwhistle and it is menacing.

She is fighting to keep men out of women's sports. That is where she and i intersect. The rest of the things she believes? not so much. She can be friends with who she likes. I can argue against pretty much all her beliefs with why i believe they harm women, and still support her on the one thing that she believes that i also believe.

Because i am a fully rounded adult who doesn't say "that's literal violence" et al when someone doesn't allign 100% with my beliefs.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 28/11/2025 15:38

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/11/2025 04:43

And to think this situation could have been avoided if the man involved had respected women and not used the female changing room, whether he flashed anyone or not.

Nail. Head 😍

PrettyDamnCosmic · 28/11/2025 17:10

MistyGreenAndBlue · 27/11/2025 16:50

I'm a little baffled by MN deleting my post saying I believe Howseitgoin is a man when many other posts saying the same thing are allowed to stand.
Oh well. Perhaps it was the way I said it.

He claims not to be male but then also claims he claims to live in Australia… He has recently been claiming to have a husband although thus far I haven’t seen him claiming to have any children but I could have missed it as it’s impossible to keep up with all his posts.