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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting

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IwantToRetire · 26/11/2025 01:06

Saw this being shared on facebook. Quote:

No child is born in the wrong body.

I cannot believe we are back to square one, with NHS England backing an experimental trial of puberty blockers on healthy, vulnerable children, ignoring the damage already done.

The No1 rule of medicine is "do no harm".
This is activist ideology masquerading as research.

I'm urging MPs of all parties to sign this letter from me and Shadow Health Secretary Stuart Andrew for Daventry, calling for Wes Streeting to step in and stop this trial before more damage is done to children who are too young to understand what they are doing to themselves.

https://www.facebook.com/kemibadenoch/posts/pfbid02c3rSBKCtNCY5qHeLVtJN94j4MhB7fZnoW159VXbzJUBdrMrDDbC3C4v6KX3W7MEbl

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting
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endofthelinefinally · 26/11/2025 11:39

The documented link between puberty blockers and progression to cross sex hormones should definitely be considered a huge risk by the ethics committee. It is an evidenced outcome. The committee would have to decide if that outcome constitutes harm and whether a child can consent/ parent can consent on behalf of child. I consider that to be very risky. Personally I would consider it harm and would not agree that child vould consent. I would question the motives of a parent who did consent, knowing what we know about the parents/ back ground of many of these children.
It depends on who is on the committee.

TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 11:40

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Well it's your niece. Why won't you tell us why she's been on puberty blockers for an unusually long amount of time?

Igneococcus · 26/11/2025 11:40

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Oh, it's educational, is it?

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 11:42

Anybody else now suspicious of what 'male' and 'female' now mean when some people use them after seeing Helen Webberley's interviews when she uses male and female when she means the very opposite?

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 11:42

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TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 11:43

Okay so I googled it.

I can only find two reasons ...

Precocious puberty

Gender confusion.

So if your niece is not on them for PP are you telling us that someone prescribed her puberty blockers for gender confusion at six years old?

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 11:44

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You seem to be the person on this thread who has entrenched prejudiced views about the other posters.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 11:45

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ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 11:46

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TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 11:47

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Why can't you just tell us that then? It didn't come up on my googling.

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 11:50

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Well, this is a public forum and regardless of your personal need to control women's speech, anyone can reply to your posts because there is no way to control how or which people interact with your self published posts.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 11:50

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TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 11:53

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You're obviously just playing silly buggers now. It's all horseshit. 🙄

You need to remember that the lurkers can see exactly what you're doing here. They'll draw their own conclusions.

Igneococcus · 26/11/2025 11:55

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To enable more growth? Is that the condition you wang on about? If it is what does it have to do with treating gender issues in children?

Jugendstiel · 26/11/2025 11:57

littlebilliie · 26/11/2025 05:31

I caught this on radio 4 yesterday, this is about a TRIAL on children, to satisfy an agenda. Who in their right mind would let a child enter this trial. There was discussion on lifelong harm and children can’t contract to age 18 - completely unethical

It's terrifying. Insane. There will be SUCH a backlash. I already know one girl who has gone from insisting she was a boy in her teens to stopping taking testosterone and wanting children in her early twenties. She has already had a double masectomy. It breaks my heart that her parents supported this. I completely understand that they were probably deeply manipulated and threatened with suicide and estrangement.

It's like the technique of aggressive salespeople to get someone to say yes to something outrageous, they first get them to agree to a tiny thing, then another bigger thing, until they are shoehorned into agreeing to things they would never have contemplated: yes I will call you a new name, okay I will use your new pronouns, yes I will display your rainbow flags to show support, yes I will take you to appointments with an open mind, yes if you are wearing a binder anyway I will pay to get you a better one, yes if the option you give me is you committing suicide or you chopping off your breasts, I will support you in chopping them off.

Five years later...

It is so fucking obvious that anyone threatening suicide is not in a position to make irreversible life decisions. So fucking obvious that anyone in their teens should not be allowed to make irreversible life decisions. So fucking obvious that teenagers hate adolescence, hate their changing bodies, hate social pressure, feel alienated and wrong and desperate to belong and control their physicality. If we focused on teaching radical self-acceptance and compassion, focused on carefully including and socialising all children so cliques were dissolved, taught that ND teens, gay teens, tomboys, camp and non-macho boys are absolutely fine as they are, very tall girls and very short boys are perfectly normal, loving mechanical engineering and football is fine for a girl and sewing and pink trousers fine for boy etc etc etc - I suspect the transitions would fall alway to almost zero.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 11:57

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ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 11:59

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TheKeatingFive · 26/11/2025 12:00

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Why would my algorithm be 'warped'? My Google search threw up multiple official health provider websites.

You sound absolutely insane.

Datun · 26/11/2025 12:02

endofthelinefinally · 26/11/2025 11:05

@Datun

I posted my last post before reading your question.
I think, IME, the known harms of puberty blockers and the evidence we do have regarding the progression to cross sex hormones should be a huge red flag to an ethics committee.
My personal view is that I would expect the ethics committee to go back to all the previous work surrounding the use of these drugs for precocious puberty in the first instance, then any and all trials using them for other conditions such as prostate cancer. Biggest question would be why the importance of stopping the drugs asap when using to treat precocious puberty. What were the documented risks to the child in that protocol? What was in the patient/parent information sheet and consent form?
Having said that, an ethics committee is only as good as the people who are on it. I don't know if we know who they are/were. That is a whole other issue IME.

Totally. And the fact they want to keep their protocols secret in case of prejudice. For which I would read horrified outrage

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 12:04

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Datun · 26/11/2025 12:05

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Might want to think twice about the board you're posting on, if the condition of women being listened to is they don't swear.

Also, this entire website's strap line was the one with all the swearing.

And seriously, I can't tell you the number of people who will find something, anything, to object to in helle's posts, in order that they can ignore what she's saying.

and edited to add if you think this is cajoling, I don't know what to tell you!

Igneococcus · 26/11/2025 12:11

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PBs given for precocious puberty slow the fusion of the bone plates and allow for longer growth resulting in taller adult height. There might be some conditions where they are given to achieve the opposite but if there are the internet hides them well. You're not mistaking PBs with steroids?

Stillpoor · 26/11/2025 12:12

I've been watching this on the news.
I mentioned it weeks back on MN, but got abuse back from mum netters.
To me it's abuse to children.
And in a few years down the line it will be back in the media being called abuse.

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 12:12

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