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No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting

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IwantToRetire · 26/11/2025 01:06

Saw this being shared on facebook. Quote:

No child is born in the wrong body.

I cannot believe we are back to square one, with NHS England backing an experimental trial of puberty blockers on healthy, vulnerable children, ignoring the damage already done.

The No1 rule of medicine is "do no harm".
This is activist ideology masquerading as research.

I'm urging MPs of all parties to sign this letter from me and Shadow Health Secretary Stuart Andrew for Daventry, calling for Wes Streeting to step in and stop this trial before more damage is done to children who are too young to understand what they are doing to themselves.

https://www.facebook.com/kemibadenoch/posts/pfbid02c3rSBKCtNCY5qHeLVtJN94j4MhB7fZnoW159VXbzJUBdrMrDDbC3C4v6KX3W7MEbl

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting
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borntobequiet · 26/11/2025 08:00

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:49

Google WPATH SOC 8 for the biggest comprehensive analysis.

Perhaps you’re not aware of the unreliability, bias and entirely self-interested position of WPATH - which is far from a body entirely composed of medical experts, which thinks that “eunuch” is a gender identity, and some of whose more thoughtful medical members (there are some) have questioned treatment pathways and the ways in which this information is communicated to children and their parents.
You’re probably also not aware that many, if not most, Mumsnetters who read and post on these boards know this very well.

SexRealismBeliefs · 26/11/2025 08:00

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:57

There's no evidence yet of a social contagion with the only study on the matter (ROGD) being discredited because of massive flaws in methodology.

Just assuming a theory isn't how the scientific method works.

This is worse - those were isolated incidents.

This is an ideology that has taken root in our institutions and education systems and has done a great job of brainwashing so many.

Hence more widespread as status and ‘special, stunning & brave’ status is conferred.

Funding is given. Attention offered. Mental distress is ignored.

It’s much worse than social contagion- it’s abuse by government and people who are supposed to care for these children.

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:00

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 07:54

This WPATH? People are supposed to trust this WPATH?

Here is one link to the WPATH pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e64b9e5cbd756da9fbbdfa/1709591479160/Final+WPATH+Report.pdf

and another
https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files

Here are some of the reactions:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13156695/Trans-healthcare-doctors-exposed-admitting-patients-young-mentally-ill-understand-consequences-treatment.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/05/wpath-tansgender-hormone-therapy-cancer-links-leaked-emails/

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/wpath-the-truth-about-gender-affirming-healthcare/

https://genspect.org/the-wpath-files-revealed/

Here is a summary from Michael Shellenberger.
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1764800595473686865?s=20

And the first part. Much more of it requires images.

Here is the threadreader version:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1764799914918490287.html

THE WPATH FILES

Advocates of gender-affirming care say it’s evidence-based.

But now, newly released internal files from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) prove that the practice of transgender medicine is neither scientific nor medical.

American Medical Association, The Endocrine Society, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and thousands of doctors worldwide rely on WPATH. It is considered the leading global authority on gender medicine.

And yet WPATH’s internal files, which include written discussions and a video, reveal that its members know they are creating victims and not getting “informed consent.”

Victims include a 10-year-old girl, a 13-year-old developmentally delayed adolescent, and individuals suffering from schizophrenia and other serious mental illnesses.

The injuries described in the WPATH Files include sterilization, loss of sexual function, liver tumors, and death.

WPATH members indicate repeatedly that they know that many children and their parents don’t understand the effects that puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries will have on their bodies. And yet, they continue to perform and advocate for gender medicine.

The WPATH Files prove that gender medicine is comprised of unregulated and pseudoscientific experiments on children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults. It will go down as one of the worst medical scandals in history.

Why I Am Publishing WPATH Files And How I Got Them

The written WPATH Files come from WPATH’s member discussion forum, which runs on software provided by DocMatter.

Ninety seconds of the 82-minute video was made public last year. We are making the full video available for the first time.

One or more people gave me the WPATH Files, and my colleagues and I attempted to summarize them as a series of articles. We quickly realized the topic was too sensitive, complex, and large to be dealt with as a work of journalism, and we moved the project to the research institute I founded seven years ago, Environmental Progress (EP).

The Files are authentic. We redacted most names and left only those individuals who are leading gender medicine practitioners to whom we sent “right-of-reply” emails. We know WPATH members discussed our emails internally. No WPATH leader or member has denied that the Files are anything other than what they appear to be.

EP is publishing a 70-page report to provide context for the 170 pages of WPATH Files. Mia Hughes is the author of the report. It and accompanying summary materials can be downloaded at the link below. That link also provides a link to the full WPATH video.

Edited

The WPATH files have been thoroughly discedited.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-216-instances-of-factual

Fact Check: 216 Instances Of Factual Errors Found In Right-Wing "WPATH Files" Document

On Monday, anti-trans groups released a set of highly editorialized and decontextualized leaks dubbed the "WPATH Files." A fact check reveals 216 errors, misrepresentations, and faulty citations.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-216-instances-of-factual

NotBadConsidering · 26/11/2025 08:01

WPATH clinicians deliberately suppress its own systematic review because it showed treatments didn’t help children.

It’s laughable people still come on here trying to “educate” us while themselves knowing nothing.

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 08:01

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:46

I would imagine in the olden days people couldn't admit to or even give any indication of suicidality. People would commit suicide & it would never be known why.

I suspect the numbers are somewhat skewed these days because parental & societal support has substantially increased.

In terms of suicidality, we know just from general suicide risk factors that lack of familial & societal support are big ones so it stands to reason that trans people have an increased risk particularly if these are combined with other risk factors like substance addiction, depression, unemployment, discrimination etc.

You do realise we're talking about children, don't you?

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 08:02

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:57

There's no evidence yet of a social contagion with the only study on the matter (ROGD) being discredited because of massive flaws in methodology.

Just assuming a theory isn't how the scientific method works.

There is plenty of evidence of 'social contagion'. Ask a teacher ( i was one myself, and my daughter now teaches) Girls are especially susceptible but also young people on the autistic spectrum. https://www.transgendertrend.com

This organisation was formed by a group of teachers, health professionals and parents.

Transgender Trend - Who Are We? - Transgender Trend

Transgender Trend is a UK organisation advocating for evidence-based care of gender dysphoric children and science-based teaching in schools.

https://www.transgendertrend.com

SexRealismBeliefs · 26/11/2025 08:02

EasternStandard · 26/11/2025 07:41

Exactly how can this be known in two years?

Why on earth is ethics not stopping this

Because they’re bought into an ideology- and will lose too much to say the emperor has no clothes on.

I hope they’re all sued and names brought into the open.

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 08:03

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:49

Google WPATH SOC 8 for the biggest comprehensive analysis.

😂

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:04

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 08:02

There is plenty of evidence of 'social contagion'. Ask a teacher ( i was one myself, and my daughter now teaches) Girls are especially susceptible but also young people on the autistic spectrum. https://www.transgendertrend.com

This organisation was formed by a group of teachers, health professionals and parents.

Edited

You would need peer reviewed research to draw any sound conclusions just like the standard puberty blockers was held to.

SexRealismBeliefs · 26/11/2025 08:04

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:46

I would imagine in the olden days people couldn't admit to or even give any indication of suicidality. People would commit suicide & it would never be known why.

I suspect the numbers are somewhat skewed these days because parental & societal support has substantially increased.

In terms of suicidality, we know just from general suicide risk factors that lack of familial & societal support are big ones so it stands to reason that trans people have an increased risk particularly if these are combined with other risk factors like substance addiction, depression, unemployment, discrimination etc.

To quote you

‘Just assuming a theory isn't how the scientific method works’.

Cantunseeit · 26/11/2025 08:05

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:37

According to meta analysis of studies by WPATH's in SOC 8 the treatments help.

Ultimately, its a consensus of medical experts that are only qualified in these areas.

The strategic reviews commissioned by WPATH were withheld because they did not show what WPATH needed them to. See page 32 in attached https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-477/328275/20241015131826340_2024.10.15%20-%20Ala.%20Amicus%20Br.%20iso%20TN%20FINAL.pdf#page42

Datun · 26/11/2025 08:05

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:57

There's no evidence yet of a social contagion with the only study on the matter (ROGD) being discredited because of massive flaws in methodology.

Just assuming a theory isn't how the scientific method works.

Are you the poster who claimed 70 children coming out in one school was due to their mothers' drinking the same water?

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 08:05

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:00

The WPATH files have been thoroughly discedited.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-216-instances-of-factual

You will, of course know, that Dr Rachel Levine ( former lead for health in the Biden administration, and trans identified) actually commissioned a report by John Hopkins University into gender transition and its health impacts, but then suppressed the findings because they did not confirm what he wanted them to confiirm.

https://can-sg.org/2024/06/28/scandalous-suppression-of-research-on-transgender-health/

Scandalous suppression of research on transgender health

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) has suppressed evidence that contradicts its policies, influenced by activist clinicians. Unsealed documents reveal WPATH’s e…

https://can-sg.org/2024/06/28/scandalous-suppression-of-research-on-transgender-health/

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:07

SexRealismBeliefs · 26/11/2025 08:04

To quote you

‘Just assuming a theory isn't how the scientific method works’.

General suicide risk factors are evidenced based conclusions that you can freely google for research on.

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 08:07

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:00

The WPATH files have been thoroughly discedited.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/fact-check-216-instances-of-factual

Have you read that by Reed? It is notably wrong.

IVFeltbetter · 26/11/2025 08:08

Surely there is already LOTS of data on the impact of “puberty blocker” drugs like buserelin as they are used to suppress the hormones during ivf cycles and have been for decades??? There will already be copious amounts of data on the hormonal, emotional and physical impact given how closely monitored those patients have been. They’re also used to treat prostate cancer and endometriosis. I fail to see why we need to recruit children to be tested in any way.

Imnobody4 · 26/11/2025 08:08

Does the Ethics Committee publish its reasoning? I don't see how it's ethical simply from the timescale. It's too short to prove anything but long enough to risk damage.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 08:10

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:04

You would need peer reviewed research to draw any sound conclusions just like the standard puberty blockers was held to.

That has been difficult though hasn't it, because those involved in the gender industry have an interest in not doing follow ups. Yet, for those with genuine interest in actual peer reviewed longer term studies will know that studies have been done ( in Sweden, as but one example) that show longer term negative and adverse outcomes. It is also why New Zealand has now banned the use of puberty blockers.

https://segm.org/SwedenendsuseofDutchprotocol

Sweden’s Karolinska Ends All Use of Puberty Blockers and Cross-Sex Hormones for Minors Outside of Clinical Studies

Concerns over medical harm and uncertain benefits result in a major policy shift

https://segm.org/Sweden_ends_use_of_Dutch_protocol

EasternStandard · 26/11/2025 08:11

Imnobody4 · 26/11/2025 08:08

Does the Ethics Committee publish its reasoning? I don't see how it's ethical simply from the timescale. It's too short to prove anything but long enough to risk damage.

Streeting should say no. He doesn’t have to agree to a damaging trial on children.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 08:13

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 08:07

General suicide risk factors are evidenced based conclusions that you can freely google for research on.

There has been a well documented explosion in mental health issues in recent years, to which younger people are especially susceptible. Social media has amplified and escalated this trend. You cannot be unaware of this.

Datun · 26/11/2025 08:13

Imnobody4 · 26/11/2025 08:08

Does the Ethics Committee publish its reasoning? I don't see how it's ethical simply from the timescale. It's too short to prove anything but long enough to risk damage.

Apparently they're not publishing it all, because of 'prejudice'.

“In this instance, we have concluded that the public interest in withholding the information until its planned publication, combined with the likelihood of prejudice, outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure.”'

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 08:14

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So there have been trials of other drugs on children which are known to be harmful but there is little or no evidence of beneficial effects? And it's been decided to go ahead with the trial because a few doctors hold a passionate belief that they are effective (despite the lack of evidence)?

Can you post some links. This sounds fascinating.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 08:14

EasternStandard · 26/11/2025 08:11

Streeting should say no. He doesn’t have to agree to a damaging trial on children.

Probelm for Streeting is that he is quietly going about a campaign to be the next Labour leader and he needs to keep his activist backbenchers on side. Labour are all over the place. There is no coherency or consistency. Leadership aims to appease activists on all sides.

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 08:16

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Children can't give informed consent to be sterilised and to have their sexual function impaired.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 26/11/2025 08:17

The hyperbole about 'saving children's lives' to try and justify this has been thoroughly and multiply debunked as well as pointed out many times that repeating and reinforcing this for adult agendas is exceptionally irresponsible.

The answer to children in mental distress does not usually involve answers involving severe medical damage to the body as a known outcome with unknown even further risks in adulthood. It's as unacceptable as a lobotomy. (Which also at the time was passionately touted as the medical answer to unbearable mental distress. In the eyes of those with medical and familial responsibility to the patient who consented on their behalf.)

As mentioned on the other thread: the children selected for this appalling experiment will also be receiving all the additional supports put in place since the blockers were banned, so it will not be possible or clear what improvements come from what actions, and the time of study is far too short. Essentially this is not a well planned experiment even if you can detach your mind from this being children, and the outcomes from it will not be useable evidence to prove anything either way.

The plan about just picking candidates more carefully, checking sincerity etc, would not have saved Keira Bell. How many detransitioned, regretting and medically damaged adults are acceptable collateral damage?

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