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No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting

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IwantToRetire · 26/11/2025 01:06

Saw this being shared on facebook. Quote:

No child is born in the wrong body.

I cannot believe we are back to square one, with NHS England backing an experimental trial of puberty blockers on healthy, vulnerable children, ignoring the damage already done.

The No1 rule of medicine is "do no harm".
This is activist ideology masquerading as research.

I'm urging MPs of all parties to sign this letter from me and Shadow Health Secretary Stuart Andrew for Daventry, calling for Wes Streeting to step in and stop this trial before more damage is done to children who are too young to understand what they are doing to themselves.

https://www.facebook.com/kemibadenoch/posts/pfbid02c3rSBKCtNCY5qHeLVtJN94j4MhB7fZnoW159VXbzJUBdrMrDDbC3C4v6KX3W7MEbl

No child is born in the wrong body - Kemi Badenoch. Letter to Wes Streeting
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OldCrone · 26/11/2025 07:40

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:28

By implication that's clinical experience. Why else would doctors be 'passionate' about a treatment if they hadn't seen for themselves positive outcomes?

I. think the words 'passionate belief' is being interpreted to carry a little more weight than it should.

Why else would doctors be 'passionate' about a treatment if they hadn't seen for themselves positive outcomes?

You could read some of the threads about Helen Webberley. She's about as passionate as they get (although the jury's out on whether she's actually just passionate about the £££ it brings in).

If they have evidence and experience which is based on more than just feelings, why can't we read about it?

Surely you're not so naive that you just believe people when they say they've seen positive outcomes but can't supply any evidence of this?

Datun · 26/11/2025 07:40

How can you conclude anything after two years? It's not long enough. It won't tell you anything about the long-term outcome.

And how can children with no understanding of future parenthood, fertility and orgasm, consent to the possibility they'll never have it.

Why they are not testing the effects of these drugs on the numerous people cross the world who are already on them.

They are taking hundreds of completely physically healthy children to test a drug that won't tell them anything, and that the children cannot consent to!

As was noted on another thread, this is exactly the kind of study that Cass rejected in her report for low evidence. It's just another one.

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 07:41

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:30

I'm sure there are many studies you can google that describe how they do that.

Are there? Can you post some links if it's so easy for you to do?

EasternStandard · 26/11/2025 07:41

Datun · 26/11/2025 07:40

How can you conclude anything after two years? It's not long enough. It won't tell you anything about the long-term outcome.

And how can children with no understanding of future parenthood, fertility and orgasm, consent to the possibility they'll never have it.

Why they are not testing the effects of these drugs on the numerous people cross the world who are already on them.

They are taking hundreds of completely physically healthy children to test a drug that won't tell them anything, and that the children cannot consent to!

As was noted on another thread, this is exactly the kind of study that Cass rejected in her report for low evidence. It's just another one.

Exactly how can this be known in two years?

Why on earth is ethics not stopping this

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:46

PumpkinTwistyWindToots · 26/11/2025 07:37

Were gender struggling children killing themselves in droves before the 90s when puberty blockers started being used in this way? I don't think so. If this wasn't a problem before the so called cure existed, then it's not the problem you're suggesting it is.

NB there isn't actually any evidence that gender struggling children are any more suicidal than any other group of children with mental health disorders. But even if there was, it would have to have been a problem throughout the whole of history AND the numbers of suicidal children would have to have decreased since the 90s in order for us to accept that puberty blockers are the right treatment. If the numbers of suicidal gender struggling children increased commensurately with the advent of puberty blockers as treatment then the problem isn't a lack of puberty blockers, it's something else entirely.

I would imagine in the olden days people couldn't admit to or even give any indication of suicidality. People would commit suicide & it would never be known why.

I suspect the numbers are somewhat skewed these days because parental & societal support has substantially increased.

In terms of suicidality, we know just from general suicide risk factors that lack of familial & societal support are big ones so it stands to reason that trans people have an increased risk particularly if these are combined with other risk factors like substance addiction, depression, unemployment, discrimination etc.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 07:47

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:25

As opposed to chronic depression, anxiety, suicidality & suicide?

I feel for Dr Cass & clinicians because they are put in very difficult positions where the consequences can be a life of misery or can be fatal. Parent's begging for help to save their children's lives can't be an easy thing to deal with.

Edited

And some of those parents were reported by gay clinicians working at the Tavistock as being actively homophobic. Gay clinicians said they were basically 'transing' gay children. Distress caused by childhood or family trauma was not explored, either. 'Affirmation only' practices display no curiosity, only blind faith.

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:48

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 07:40

Why else would doctors be 'passionate' about a treatment if they hadn't seen for themselves positive outcomes?

You could read some of the threads about Helen Webberley. She's about as passionate as they get (although the jury's out on whether she's actually just passionate about the £££ it brings in).

If they have evidence and experience which is based on more than just feelings, why can't we read about it?

Surely you're not so naive that you just believe people when they say they've seen positive outcomes but can't supply any evidence of this?

I doubt run of the mill GP's & specialists are raking it in by the millions given the trans population is so low. While you might be able to reasonably suggest Webberley may well do well out of this that hardly applies generally.

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:49

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 07:41

Are there? Can you post some links if it's so easy for you to do?

Google WPATH SOC 8 for the biggest comprehensive analysis.

Owly11 · 26/11/2025 07:51

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:37

According to meta analysis of studies by WPATH's in SOC 8 the treatments help.

Ultimately, its a consensus of medical experts that are only qualified in these areas.

Is this the same 'medical experts' who buried studies that didn't support their agenda and the same WPATH whose members have admitted that kids who are put on puberty blockers will grow up never being able to orgasm and who can't really consent to the treatment because they have no understanding of discussions around fertility?

spannasaurus · 26/11/2025 07:51

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:49

Google WPATH SOC 8 for the biggest comprehensive analysis.

Do you think the NHS should provide treatment for those who identify as eunuchs per the WPATH guidelines?

Datun · 26/11/2025 07:52

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:37

According to meta analysis of studies by WPATH's in SOC 8 the treatments help.

Ultimately, its a consensus of medical experts that are only qualified in these areas.

WPATH? Whose clinicians' opinions were leaked claiming they didn't think the children understood what they were agreeing to. Like talking to a brick wall, apparently.

Not to mention their invention of 'eunuch gender' which

drew extensively on research collected from the Eunuch Archives, a hardcore fetish site featuring child sexual exploitation fantasies centred around stopping little boys from going through puberty.

That WPATH?

https://sex-matters.org/posts/healthcare/wpath-in-the-uk/

Mymanyellow · 26/11/2025 07:52

PumpkinTwistyWindToots · 26/11/2025 07:37

Were gender struggling children killing themselves in droves before the 90s when puberty blockers started being used in this way? I don't think so. If this wasn't a problem before the so called cure existed, then it's not the problem you're suggesting it is.

NB there isn't actually any evidence that gender struggling children are any more suicidal than any other group of children with mental health disorders. But even if there was, it would have to have been a problem throughout the whole of history AND the numbers of suicidal children would have to have decreased since the 90s in order for us to accept that puberty blockers are the right treatment. If the numbers of suicidal gender struggling children increased commensurately with the advent of puberty blockers as treatment then the problem isn't a lack of puberty blockers, it's something else entirely.

Every single word of this. Thank you for phrasing it better than I ever could.

Owly11 · 26/11/2025 07:52

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:38

I just follow doctors advice, I don't write it.

A bit like the concentration camp officers just followed orders, they didn't make them?

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 07:54

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:46

I would imagine in the olden days people couldn't admit to or even give any indication of suicidality. People would commit suicide & it would never be known why.

I suspect the numbers are somewhat skewed these days because parental & societal support has substantially increased.

In terms of suicidality, we know just from general suicide risk factors that lack of familial & societal support are big ones so it stands to reason that trans people have an increased risk particularly if these are combined with other risk factors like substance addiction, depression, unemployment, discrimination etc.

'Trans' people as you refer to them are just like everyone else, either male or female, and so equally suceptible to current 'trends' and fads in the field of mental health.

Over the centuries there have been many ways of framing mental or emotional distress. In Victorian times there arose a condition by which young women would lose function in their legs and would become bed -ridden. 'Ladies' would be prone to fainting or 'the vapours'. Anorexia was unknown in Japan until it was exported by Western mental health practitioners. A few years ago, just after Covid, there was an explosion in young people, girls especially, developing Tourette's.Like you, I'm in Liverpool...and know of a school in which a significant number of girls starting developing Tourette's at the same time....

'Trans' is a framing device; a way of explaining emotional distress or psychological maladaptation. It provides a complete narrative.

OldCrone · 26/11/2025 07:54

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:33

Yes, but that applies to all medical treatments & if we don't dismiss a consensus of medical practitioners there why would we here? The standards have to be applied universally.

If a doctor was a passionate advocate of any other so-called treatment which was completely unevidenced, I'd be just as suspicious of them.

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:54

Owly11 · 26/11/2025 07:51

Is this the same 'medical experts' who buried studies that didn't support their agenda and the same WPATH whose members have admitted that kids who are put on puberty blockers will grow up never being able to orgasm and who can't really consent to the treatment because they have no understanding of discussions around fertility?

Sorry, but A few random emails that couldn't even be verified isn't enough to invalidate a two year meta analysis.

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 07:54

This WPATH? People are supposed to trust this WPATH?

Here is one link to the WPATH pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e64b9e5cbd756da9fbbdfa/1709591479160/Final+WPATH+Report.pdf

and another
https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files

Here are some of the reactions:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13156695/Trans-healthcare-doctors-exposed-admitting-patients-young-mentally-ill-understand-consequences-treatment.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/05/wpath-tansgender-hormone-therapy-cancer-links-leaked-emails/

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/wpath-the-truth-about-gender-affirming-healthcare/

https://genspect.org/the-wpath-files-revealed/

Here is a summary from Michael Shellenberger.
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1764800595473686865?s=20

And the first part. Much more of it requires images.

Here is the threadreader version:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1764799914918490287.html

THE WPATH FILES

Advocates of gender-affirming care say it’s evidence-based.

But now, newly released internal files from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) prove that the practice of transgender medicine is neither scientific nor medical.

American Medical Association, The Endocrine Society, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and thousands of doctors worldwide rely on WPATH. It is considered the leading global authority on gender medicine.

And yet WPATH’s internal files, which include written discussions and a video, reveal that its members know they are creating victims and not getting “informed consent.”

Victims include a 10-year-old girl, a 13-year-old developmentally delayed adolescent, and individuals suffering from schizophrenia and other serious mental illnesses.

The injuries described in the WPATH Files include sterilization, loss of sexual function, liver tumors, and death.

WPATH members indicate repeatedly that they know that many children and their parents don’t understand the effects that puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries will have on their bodies. And yet, they continue to perform and advocate for gender medicine.

The WPATH Files prove that gender medicine is comprised of unregulated and pseudoscientific experiments on children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults. It will go down as one of the worst medical scandals in history.

Why I Am Publishing WPATH Files And How I Got Them

The written WPATH Files come from WPATH’s member discussion forum, which runs on software provided by DocMatter.

Ninety seconds of the 82-minute video was made public last year. We are making the full video available for the first time.

One or more people gave me the WPATH Files, and my colleagues and I attempted to summarize them as a series of articles. We quickly realized the topic was too sensitive, complex, and large to be dealt with as a work of journalism, and we moved the project to the research institute I founded seven years ago, Environmental Progress (EP).

The Files are authentic. We redacted most names and left only those individuals who are leading gender medicine practitioners to whom we sent “right-of-reply” emails. We know WPATH members discussed our emails internally. No WPATH leader or member has denied that the Files are anything other than what they appear to be.

EP is publishing a 70-page report to provide context for the 170 pages of WPATH Files. Mia Hughes is the author of the report. It and accompanying summary materials can be downloaded at the link below. That link also provides a link to the full WPATH video.

Access Restricted

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/05/wpath-tansgender-hormone-therapy-cancer-links-leaked-emails

Datun · 26/11/2025 07:55

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:46

I would imagine in the olden days people couldn't admit to or even give any indication of suicidality. People would commit suicide & it would never be known why.

I suspect the numbers are somewhat skewed these days because parental & societal support has substantially increased.

In terms of suicidality, we know just from general suicide risk factors that lack of familial & societal support are big ones so it stands to reason that trans people have an increased risk particularly if these are combined with other risk factors like substance addiction, depression, unemployment, discrimination etc.

The olden days

😀

ThatCleaningLady · 26/11/2025 07:56

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deadpan · 26/11/2025 07:56

Badenoch is not someone I agree with generally but in this she's been sensible. I agree with those who've already said this is being done to satisfy the body of people who believe the treatment will "save" children. Where the kids are too young I guess consent will be obtained from the parent/s, and some of these parents will be desperate because they've been told by people they trust their child will kill themselves if they don't get it.

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:57

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 07:54

'Trans' people as you refer to them are just like everyone else, either male or female, and so equally suceptible to current 'trends' and fads in the field of mental health.

Over the centuries there have been many ways of framing mental or emotional distress. In Victorian times there arose a condition by which young women would lose function in their legs and would become bed -ridden. 'Ladies' would be prone to fainting or 'the vapours'. Anorexia was unknown in Japan until it was exported by Western mental health practitioners. A few years ago, just after Covid, there was an explosion in young people, girls especially, developing Tourette's.Like you, I'm in Liverpool...and know of a school in which a significant number of girls starting developing Tourette's at the same time....

'Trans' is a framing device; a way of explaining emotional distress or psychological maladaptation. It provides a complete narrative.

Edited

There's no evidence yet of a social contagion with the only study on the matter (ROGD) being discredited because of massive flaws in methodology.

Just assuming a theory isn't how the scientific method works.

SexRealismBeliefs · 26/11/2025 07:57

OrangeeS · 26/11/2025 06:44

Is this utter nonsense still a thing? She’s absolutely right and it’s terrifying to think some people actually believe she’s wrong 🤯🤯

I feel like I should be a cat because I love to lounge about all day, dozing and having a tickle. I feel like a cat so I am a cat! That’s madness yet feeling like you’re the opposite sex and that somehow it can be changed is delusional at best, but when you have people still facilitating this stuff and at such a young age no wonder it’s still a thing. Live like the opposite sex when you’re an adult don’t experiment on kids ffs

Edited

Let’s start a trans species movement.

You can give your teeth filed down on NHS, and tattoos to give you stripes.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/11/2025 07:57

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:54

Sorry, but A few random emails that couldn't even be verified isn't enough to invalidate a two year meta analysis.

One of the premier gender clinicians in the U.S.A ( Dr Erica Anderson) has themselves said that they are unnecessarily medicalising young people with 'gender' distress and rendering them infertile and sexually dysfunctional

"A transgender psychologist who has helped hundreds of teens transition has warned that it has “gone too far” — and fears many are making life-changing decisions because it’s “trendy” and pushed on social media.
Erica Anderson, 71 — who is transgender herself — told the Los Angeles Times that she is horrified that even 13-year-old kids are now getting hormone treatment without even meeting with psychologists.
“I think it’s gone too far,” said Anderson, who until recently led the US professional society at the forefront of transgender care"

Datun · 26/11/2025 07:59

EmilyinEverton · 26/11/2025 07:54

Sorry, but A few random emails that couldn't even be verified isn't enough to invalidate a two year meta analysis.

You don't need random emails, or verified accounts, to see the blindingly obvious.

10-year-old olds cannot consent to eliminating the possibility of parenthood, fertility, or a sex life

Helleofabore · 26/11/2025 07:59

Please stop using misinformation about suicide to justify this drug trial.

A trial to make a child’s body match their philosophical belief that is not based on material reality.

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