To find it heartening that despite so many famous people being anti JKR, their are still so many who are prepared to work on HP?

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The end credits on the full cast audio takes 13 minutes. Hugh Laurie, Carl Prekopp, Mark Addy, Indira Varma.....and so many many names!

Then the TV series. Nick Frost, Warwick Davies, John Lithgow, Janet McTeer, Katherine Parkinson and (my favourite) Daniel Rigby.

I feel that the actors and crew are saying that they agree with her (or at least, dont disagree), without actually saying that they agree, if you see what I mean.

Yes the death threats towards JKR have been terrible. I’d struggle to be friends with anyone who thought they were ok too.

It’s no more a misrepresentation than your confident assumption that per capita “trans women” commit less sexual crime than other men.

It is.

I went to the theatre last week, as I do about 4 times a year, for the first time in ages there wasn't a single pronoun in the programme. (I mean of course pronouns were used where appropriate but none listed in biographies or crew lists) it felt like a big little win.

Perfect. They can be ‘magical ladies’ in a cubicle in the gents then.

I was on a course recently with a large group of people from a demographic renowned for being woke as fuck.
1 out of 34 people had pronouns in bio.
The tide is changed.

It's fabulous.

See also, Tom Felton doing so well in the Broadway production. I enjoyed all the sniping at him for being unsuccessful whilst he was receiving standing ovations in sold out theatres.

I agree that people work on HP if they think it's good for them; no reason to assume it means they stand shoulder-to shoulder with JKR on all her views. It's hasn't stopped some (Nick Frost, for one) bleating about it on SM.

Oh I am not saying that they all agree in that sense but that its no longer considered career suicide to work on a JKR based project and for some it will be because they agree but havent been vocal about it.

As a PP said, this project 5 years ago wouldnt have happened and that it shows how the tide is turning.

I don't know, I think if you asked the average person buying some Harry Potter Lego for Christmas what they thought about JK Rowling’s opinions I honestly think they would look at you like you were mad. Or going into Harry Potter studio tour and drinking some butter beer, they would wonder what on earth you were talking about.
Most people probably pay more attention to football results than this discussion, and which actors are in a Harry Potter production will be as profoundly affecting to them as who’s in celebrity jungle. I think the actors have realised it is only an unhinged minority going on about it and have readjusted where their own best interests lie commercially.

I'm sure not all of those actors will agree 100% with JKR, nor would I expect them to. Some may agree with much but not all of what she says.

Some may just want to take politics out of doing their job.

I'm sure many are fed up with being expected to have a stance on the issue by aggressive ppl on either side.

Oh yes, let's not forget to both-sides it 🙄

I know someone working in this series. They're just there to do a job and go home. They don't give a fuck about JKR's political views. I think most people working on this project feel the same way. This is set to be a 10 year project, generating incomes for many people and families. It's going to pay them to just go to work, do their jobs, and be professional

There must be a lot of people working in the arts who, even though they were sympathetic to demands over one type of "justice" or another, are now, more than 5 years down the line, utterly sick to death of feeling they're walking on eggshells. Including some who think that JKR is a real meany.

You could probably say the same for racists & misogynists feeling 'relieved' to finally let their 'hair down' in this post respect Trump world.

You can always rely on gender critical feminists to think there aren't any consequences for women in general for their pet carve out.

Go on then, tell us, what are the consequences of not letting men who are pretending to be women use female only spaces?

Still waiting for you to respond to my earlier question about Katie Dolatowski, who raped a 12yo girl in a female only supermarket toilet, as you said that men who are pretending to be women and women face the same risks in such places?

What are the bad consequences for women of recognising women as a distinct category of human being?

ETA: Cross posted

There is the sensible approach to much of these arguments particularly in the workplace. We have seen that ‘bringing your whole self to work’ simply did not improve productivity. We tried being kind and inclusive but ended up at times pandering to pronouns etc and being berated for misgendering. You cannot change sex. Men cannot become women and women cannot become men.

Gender affirming care is a misnomer. If a 12 year old said they wanted to try heroin we would stop them. We wouldn’t let them dabble and see how things turned out.

The workplace ultimately needs to make a profit so I would suggest in the private sector making money trumps others demands and that DEI in that sector has not been fully implemented. Meritocracy trumps so the company makes profit. Hire the best people get the best results.

In the public sector DEI seems to have morphed into the opposite of what it set out to do. We have nurses fighting NHS trusts at Employment Tribunals not because they have not done their jobs properly but because a man who says he is a woman is offended by them wanting their right to a single sex space.

I would really like a man who identifies as a woman but just gets on with life to perhaps speak to these activists who seem to have a huge amount of time on their hands and ask what it is they actually want to achieve.

The context here is cancel culture no longer being an issue & the implications of a free for all…which has consequences on how women are spoken about in terms of misogyny being more acceptable too.

As far as Katie Dolatowski goes, that a small minority of male teachers, priests, coaches, scout leaders are pedophiles doesn't mean we should ban males from working with children.

As far as Katie Dolatowski goes, that a small minority of male teachers, priests, coaches, scout leaders are pedophiles doesn't mean we should ban males from working with children.

In other words, a price worth paying. You've just gotta take your chances, girls.

In other words, consistency is a thing.

Looking at your post@BlueLegumeI wonder if you're familiar with the This Isn't Working podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@This-Isnt-Working

Just in case you're not, you should have a look, I think you'd find much of interest there.

Yes @nauticant I have listened to all of Tanya’s podcasts along with the Seen in Journalism ones.

Ah so we should consistently apply safeguarding and not give any group a free pass (as was done in the past with priests etc).
One of the basics of safeguarding is single sex spaces when people will in a state of undress.

What? Can someone translate this for me, I'm not fluent in gobbledygook.