To find it heartening that despite so many famous people being anti JKR, their are still so many who are prepared to work on HP?

[PyongyangKipperbang]

The end credits on the full cast audio takes 13 minutes. Hugh Laurie, Carl Prekopp, Mark Addy, Indira Varma.....and so many many names!

Then the TV series. Nick Frost, Warwick Davies, John Lithgow, Janet McTeer, Katherine Parkinson and (my favourite) Daniel Rigby.

I feel that the actors and crew are saying that they agree with her (or at least, dont disagree), without actually saying that they agree, if you see what I mean.

the grift is over @godtierKaren even if you haven’t realised it yet.

That's why most people don't contribute here. Most people are not political creatures and only become invoved when something pops up on their social media feed. That does not mean that there should be no-one that does focus on, and is active in, the realm of political affairs.

Politics deals with the relationships between people and between groups of people; it deals with power relationships; issues of structural and cultural change; it deals with civilised safeguarding measures etc. It is very important, even if most people are not directly interested or engaged.

Most men who identify as trans are assaulted or murdered ( by males) whilst engaged in the notoriously risky business of prostitution, or else by their intimate male partners. There are very few examples of men with trans identities who have been assaulted or murdered outwith those two categories or type of situation. It is male pattern violence and the male sexual drive that are the main issues.

It’s time a ‘no feeding’ policy was applied and rigidly followed.

All you’re doing here is saying we cannot know the full extent of sexual assault by trans-identified men in exactly the same way as we cannot know the full extent of sexual assault by men who are not trans-identified.

But for the sexual assault we do know about, we know that trans-identified men are hugely over-represented.

You really need a better “try to trash GC arguments” crib sheet. The one you’re working from is clearly written by an idiot.

I don’t really agree with the title of this thread. I don’t think it’s very many ‘famous people’ who are anti JKR (and by extension don’t GAF about women’s rights). It’s mostly just a few, such as the former child actors who don’t have much else newsworthy going on in their careers at this point.

So I’m sure you’ll have lots of examples of how men are working to combat MVAWG? Tell me again how women should prioritise males being mean to other males when women and girls are attacked in their thousands each year. Go on. Explain why men not being allowed in women’s spaces matters more than the lives of women and girls. And do try to keep the misogyny to a minimum. Thank yew

It's the Wile E. Coyote effect:

I agree to.some.extent, but now feel there are much more pressing the matters.
my point isnt about whether or not it is important more that most people aren't that fussed. It's no longer the issue it was (or never was for many).

Ignoring the derailer.

I agree with what other PPs have said. Actors want the most high profile jobs, for the best pay packet and Harry Potter represents that. It cannot be read as either approval or repudiation of JKR. The good thing about HP as well is that it will be sold in every territory, repeated over and over and is likely to generate royalty cheques for many years to come. If I needed a pension or to pay my kids uni fees would I take a one-off film drama or a risky new streaming series or Harry Potter?

I also think actors and other creatives / freelancers are much more used to working with people who have very different opinions and lives to them so there is less friction. If you have to work in an office with someone for years on end and talk about policy and practice, then their political views are more likely to rub you up the wrong way than on a 6 week shoot.

There is also not much work for actors. Even famous ones. So they can't afford to be fussy. As Ricky Gervais said "If Isis started a streaming service you'd be on the phone to your agents." Remember when Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant were suing Murdoch and proclaiming he was morally bankrupt and beneath their contempt and they would NEVER work for his companies? They were both making films for Murdoch's Fox at the same time.

(To be clear, I am in no way claiming my queen JKR is in anyway analogous to Isis. It's just to show that actors will get the work where they can.)

That's the thing, isn’t it? A small but very vocal group outraged on social media does not represent real life. The books are popular as ever, merchandise, films etc too. I have been wearing my son’s HP woolly hat because it’s too small for him now and the smiles I get from young adults and excitement from children is just lovely.

Quite right. For those of us who follow this debate closely online it’s good to be reminded that each group here vastly outnumbers the one below it.

1. People who don’t follow this but would agree with JKR if they did.
2. People who follow this and agree with JKR.
3. People who follow this and disagree with JKR.
4. People who don’t follow this but would disagree with JKR if they did.

I do think part of the issue is that TRAs label JKR as anti trans as opposed to her real stance being pro women, biological women.

There are trans women who use the men's and have stated they don't face harm/abuse.

They might be at risk in the men's but so might old men, boys, gay men, small men, weak men, disabled men and men who are ill or injured. Should we throw the doors of the ladies open to them too?

I think there should be a men’s, and a vulnerable men’s. That would solve it for them.
Then women could just stay together with the usual extremely low risk.

But about Harry Potter, most people don’t really connect JK Rowling and Harry Potter in their mind. Like if the writer of Winnie the Pooh turned out to be cancellable, I think people would still be fond of Winnie the Pooh as his own entity.

I think it’s like trying to cancel the tooth fairy, it’s gone beyond the reach of TRAs.

Thats why TRAs are obsessed with JKR... they can't cancel her. So they make even wilder stories and harass her... and still HP gets more popular.

I’m not sure that’s true, because she’s alive and active and there’s ongoing media coverage - with some ‘journalists’ continuing to poke at the matter, as with the recent interview with Grint (afaik there was no particular reason for this interview even, he was just turning on some Xmas lights).

Otoh, back in the real world where money is spent and made, the BBC, despite the bias of its ‘LGBT’ reporting, has evidently had no qualms about making the Strike series. When asked to comment about JKR, its stars have been the epitome of studied neutrality, even at a point where being negative about her might have been an easier option. They, like most other good actors, aren’t operating in the febrile world of potterheads who’ve not outgrown their love of fantasy.

Worth repeating every time this stupidity about the alleged lack of trans rights is raised. Trans people have exactly the same rights as all other people. That doesn't mean that trans identified males can take women's prizes or spaces.

Perhaps we should tell transwomen to moderate how they dress, to not to go out at night, to carry their keys in the hands and hair spray in their bag, to stay in groups for safety in numbers. You know like actual women are told.

Yes, but the same point applies that I made before. Most people are engaged with bread and butter issues...but it does not mean that deeper, more fundamental ones are not also impacting them, or that they will never come across the consequences of changes/laws made without their consciousness.

Cultural isues are often dismissed as trivial - but they are increasingly important because they reflect value systems. And increasingly people do vote in line with what they pereceive as their main values, not just on matters of taxation, the NHS, and so on.

Great post.

Also
As Ricky Gervais said "If Isis started a streaming service you'd be on the phone to your agents."
😂😂

This.

most people don’t really connect JK Rowling and Harry Potter in their mind.

I don't think that's true at all. I think a lot of activists tried to wrestle her creation from her - as they so frequently do with women in history - but they didn't manage it.

However I do think this just shows she was too big/talented to cancel and that plan has clearly failed - she still makes people money.

It is odd though as I've seen on-line interviews/group talks and such where US citizen come and and say oh she right wing and people in scotland or wider UK most described as conseravite or right wing men say er no she a noted leftest with particular views on womens rights - and it sort of stuns them. There been a huge smear campaign and misinformation against her and she come though that.