Sara Morrison v BFF - thread 5

[SexRealistic]

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

Those who use X seem to forget a lot of people dont and dont use mumsnet either. Many women would not have known JKR was funding cases or how to contact her to get support. At least one of the nurses is a Christian. Maybe she went to a lawyer she knew through the church and they put her in touch with a funding source. They were desperate for help and their union was useless. Sandie was fortunate to find a lawyer who put her in touch with funding but faced with maybe losing her job she'd probably have taken any offer that was made too.

Bottom line is that Rose has no business being in the womens changing room and I can be prissy over where they got their funding or I can drop them some money and show them there are other ways to get support. I'd prefer JKR to be funding them and Naomi or Ben to have been their barrister but they didnt find that help. Other people can make their own decisions.

I think that the union of the Darlington nurses that gave no support was UNISON not the RCN who SP is now taking to court for not supporting her.

We're going to need another thread...

@SexRealistic not to put the burden on you, but you do get first dibs.

Exactly. It's largely this sort of thinking (or, more accurately, lack of thinking) that's got us where we are. Is it right-on enough to pass muster?

I'm sure she was. But before the publicity, there's every possibility the Darlington nurses didn't know that. Would you expect them.to approach every GC voice on Twitter before carefully selecting support ?

I agree that these nurses need our support and i also agree that as a GC movement we should pull together and ignore the route taken.

I think that we should disregard political alliances, and religious views that don't fit in with our own personal broader views.

but clearly for some of us there is a problem as reflected in this discussion and fundraising targets.

they have just lowered their target (by 3/5th) so are now almost at 90%.
Almost as if they heard you!

Purity spiralling basically

Both Sandie's and the Darlington nurses' unions were actually worse than useless, they refused to help them and labelled them transphobic bigots.

Whatever decision you finally come to about donating to the crowdfunder, at least look at Christian Concern's website where their condemnation of, for instance, homosexuality, is set out very clearly.

They don't 'imply' that they are anti-gay, they openly support conversion therapy to 'finding freedom from unwanted sexual attraction' and state that in the Bible 'Homosexual practice is consistently called sinful'.
And that's just one issue.

'Through our Christian Legal Centre, we provide legal support to Christians who are unashamed of Jesus and the truth that flows from him.'

I'm really glad the Darlington nurses got the support they were denied by their union, but if they were atheists or Buddhists or even lapsed Christians who were a bit iffy about the truth that flows from Jesus, would the CLG support them?

I do understand that the crowdfunder goes straight to the legal teams, but in fairness I think concerns about the CLG do not fall into the category of an obscure 'purity spiral', it's far more basic and obvious than that, if you read their website.

I'm pretty sure they are not all Christians, but CC have supported them. And I'm personally very cautious about claiming that something is "conversion therapy" when we are accused of it if we don't affirm trans ideation. I have met gay men who have chosen to be celibate because of their faith positions; I would be very uncomfortable with a church which taught them that's the only option, but I respect their choice and hope they are making it as freely as is possible in a world full of pressures to conform with all sorts of ideological positions.

We are not giving Christian Concern money by contributing to the crowdfunder. We are not supporting them or approving of their views. We are supporting the nurses in their sex discrimination fight with the Trust by donating to the legal fund.
There's no evidence that any of the nurses are homophobic, but even if there was, homophobes still have sex-based rights. Everybody does.

Edited for clarity

Just saw this - work intervened - will try now

Thank you. I'd have set it up myself if I hadn't heard. ❤️

Thread 6 is here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5450558-sara-morrison-v-bff-thread-6?reply=148785972

Please fill up the rest of this thread before heading over to the new one.

Thanks to @SexRealistic for starting it.

I completely accept all that, including that donations to the crowdfunder go directly to the legal team, sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.
I just wanted to balance the suggestion that having very serious issues with the CLG itself is part of a 'purity spiral'.

I'm not sure anyone has suggested that. Just that refusing to give money to the nurses because an unpleasant group also support them falls into the same 'dirty by association' bucket as Sara's been accused of by attending an event that someone else who is diaapproved of also attended.

I don't support Christian Concern, I know I will never support Christian Concern, so I have no intention of reading their website just so I can not support them in greater detail.

I did donate and donated again. I just said that the Christian concern message that appears after donating would put some people off. It was just what I think. But I got shouted at! Anyway, i support the nurses.

Not sure that directing people to click on Christian Concern's website is the right thing to do. Clicks push sites up google ratings.

I dont think all the nurses are Christian. I dont know if any of them would actually support Christian Concern since lots of Christians would not do so. Maybe we can leave this discussion in this thread and go back to talking about Sara's case.

Isn't Naomi busy in N Ireland atm? Even superlawyers can't be everywhere at once 😂

I think we should be pleased that Mumsnet and Nick are keeping the AI search monkeys up to date

And heading toward end of thread

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