Sara Morrison v BFF - thread 5

[SexRealistic]

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

I am very sorry for shouting. It was because of previous poster shouting at me. Anyhow. We are all on the same side. We will prevail xxxx

all this discussion has prompted me to drop some cash to the darlington nurses. I just did that some moments ago and have the following to report.

The only text relating to Christian Concern I saw on my journey through from the funding page on Crowd Justice to completing my payment was the following

main page
"Christian ministry with a track record of enabling some of the most high-profile transgender-related legal cases in the UK since 2016."

thank you after payment page
"Thank you for your generous pledge
Bez, there's more you can do to help this case succeed
Christian Concern needs your help. Sharing this case could help raise another !"

I echo @BezMills experience of donating.

No-one is obliged to donate to any fundraiser. I donated to this one, long enough ago now not to be sure of the messaging, because while I dislike Christian Concern they did step in to fund the nurses lawyers when no-one else was helping the nurses. I wouldnt garden when CC were raising funds via their website, I did for the crowdfinder. I'm reasonably sure this case - and any future support if they face disciplinary action - will cost more than the crowdfunder will raise. These cases, as we know from NHS Fife, are expensive.

If you wish you can put a message saying I wish you hadnt gone to CC. If you dont want to support this one there are several others, I'll do my round up later this week. But it is a message of support to the nurses. Women understand you, we support you.

I contributed to the fundraiser at the beginning. As the case has concluded bar the actual judgement and presumably the nurses will win and be awarded costs do they need more funding?

ETs don't normally award costs.

Nor is it by any means certain that they will win.

If anyone wants a sex-realism legal fix, I've posted Tribunal Tweets' reporting of Kevin Lister's appeal on this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5080317-kevin-lister

As a nurse, I was more than happy to contribute to support other nurses who have been let down by their trust and their union.

As other posters have pointed out, the money isn’t going directly to CC, although I share people’s squeamishness.

I do think they were unwise to set such a large target in the first place and hope it won’t unravel for them.

Quite

Does anyone actually know why it is said that nobody else stepped up? I do not know why myself, but it is possible that one of the nurses lead the way to Christian Concern/ legal centre. This may be why certain legal representatives and advocacy groups did not want to assist in this case due to likely poor optics, ergo allegations of our movement being far right funded by Christian conservatives.

I just do not know and wonder if anyone does.

So many people don’t stand up or support when people are silent. We can sniff and look away when the Darlington Nurses need support because they don’t align exactly with our values - exactly like their Union. Or we can say we don’t love absolutely everything about this but let’s advance the cause.

I vote advance the cause! 💪🏼

I presume they went to their own union first,

They did approach their union. No help there.

I would imagine that was why they formed their own.

They needed funding to be able to progress their case. They found initial funding from CC. I cannot be precious about this. I have happily contributed several times to their crowd justice because I believe that I should support these nurses in a just cause. The simple issue is that they should have a single sex changing room. The end. And if they need financial support to argue this then I will provide it so far as I can.

Well their union will have thought they were bigots and should shut up.

I know that the union failed them, and am so glad that Sandie is going after them.

but it is a leap to me that they ended up where they did, given they must have known about Sandie. So i stand by my query which is why they went through the obnoxious anti women’s and gay right agency that they did.

it is not an issue we can avoid.

given they must have known about Sandie

Must they? Both launched legal action in May 2024. Sandie's case got the odd press.mention, but not really significant national coverage until the actual tribunal started in Feb this year.

Are do not think we can assume that when the Darlington nurses first went to a solicitor that an alternative source of funding was known to them, or indeed openly available for applications.

In fact on a quick search the first article I can find on Sandie's case is late June, by which time the Darlington one was already underway.

The JKR fund didn't launch until well into this year. If, as is generally assumed, she's the backer for Sandie's case it's likely that wasn't through a publicised open funding source but probably through existing connections within Scotland that wouldn't have been available to the Darlington group.

Sandie went to local MP Neil Hanvey, who referred her to ForWomenScot....

(incidently TheCourier reports on their FOI req that NHS Fife have just been issued with a compliance order for the internal papers on their statement in July).

JKR alluded (in a tweet I think) to the fact that her fund had fact providing funding for a considerable time before its recent bout of publicity and the wide publicity given to its website.

On the contrary, it's not something that need concern us. Maybe one of the nurses is a Christian. Nothing wrong with that. Speaking as an atheist.

You say or imply that Christian Concern are anti-women and anti-gay. It's a funny way to show you are anti-women, funding a sex discrimination and harassment case in the ET, don't you think? If what you mean by "anti-women" is anti-abortion, say that. It's irrelevant to this case.

Christian Concern are right wing. Also irrelevant. You don't need to be right wing to know that Rose Henderson should not have been permitted to set foot in the female staff changing room.

I couldn't agree more.

The route and the reasons for the way the nurses ended up being supported by CA is totally irrelevant.

In fact, it's a bit package beliefs-y isn't it?