Portuguese prison guards threaten strike over violent trans prisoner

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For all our resident "but there's no problems anywhere that has self ID you big old meanies"

https://reduxx.info/prison-guards-in-portugal-force-transfer-of-violent-transgender-inmate-from-womens-prison-after-threatening-to-strike/

and well done those guards!!!! Portuguese justice system has clearly lost its mind

That was to Canada in response to a pp writing about GI privilege over everyone being embedded in law there.

Deleted - didn't read your post properly!

He wasn't in isolation when he tried to drown a female inmate, was he?

So why wouldn't they just go the whole hog and have mixed prisons, and risk assess everyone? What makes these guys so special?

This is a very depressing story, one which so many have predicted. What did the over educated idiots who oversaw it expect? I mean really, what did they actually expect was going to happen? That sex offenders in frocks would magically go all kittens and soft fucking furnish?

I really hope this gains traction in the wider world, although I expect thd BBC to run a mile and pretend it never happened.

Those poor women, they were simply pawns for people who wanted to burnish their right on credentials, acceptable collateral I'm the war to make transw happy, of no concern at all.

I agree. This may be the only way to make them realise.

You can still be traumatised by the presence of a violent male in another room or even another building .

Meanwhile, here in the UK, there are still 5 biological males in a women’s prison in Banstead, according to Rebecca Paul who raised it at PMQs last week.

And Phillipson who sits on the Women and Equalities Committee as does Rebecca Paul, listened with Rebecca to the PM say the SCJ had to be implemented at all levels and that he would look into this.

And then sent her government lawyers to a court case a day or two later to say the SCJ needed watering down and case by case.

Apparently wholly unaware of the years of experience and legal discussions on record, that any layman can read and understand, that the SCJ actually talks about the impossibility of a) having a rule that applies to some men but not other men b) in any way making this practically applicable and c) that regardless of the worthiness of the man, bless his little and special cotton socks, the moment he walks into a facility he has ended it being a single sex space that meets the needs of all women . And defeated the purpose of it being a single sex space, and ended the logical reasons and effect of making it single sex in the first place to meet the needs of those women. Which pretty much ends the legal discrimination permitted to make it single sex.

Look, I can manage to understand it, IANAL, and am a layman with no relevant knowledge or experience. So wtf is there apparently no one in Westminster who has read this stuff and managed the basic reading comprehension involved? Do they need to borrow a few MNetters to explain it in small words, because I'm sure there's a few mums here who wouldn't mind helping government with their homework?

And wtf is one woman on this government committee fighting for women's needed single sex rights to not be subordinated to men's self expression while another fights to get on with the subordinating?

And wtf does the PM apparently not agree with his cabinet minister so they're briefing against each other and seemingly pursuing two separate goals at the same time?

It would be less depressing if this wasn't an example of the whole bloody governmental and political mess in progress in all areas at the moment, but it is. It absolutely all.

And if I were a woman in that prison I would be traumatised by the fact that all the laws of the land were forcing such an outrage on me.

You could make a simple yes/no flow chart, along the lines of:

Do you think there is any risk to women in including placing males who claim a female gender identity in women's prisons?

• if no - you're an idiot with no imagination. Please educate yourself and then go back to Square 1
• if yes -

Do you think those women matter?

• if no - you're a complete misogynist
• if yes -

Do the rights of the men override the rights of the women?

• if no - why did you do this? Please go back to Square 1
• if yes - you're a complete misogynist

There was a group of women prisoners who wanted to challenge this being applied to women's prisons before the courts. They asked the Elizabeth Fry society to help them.

They were basically told they were bigots, please be quiet.

Hideous. I can believe that. All the legacy women's orgs in Canada seem to be captured.

No really, that's disappointing, EF will be turning in her grave.