Sara Morrison v BFF thread 4

[MarieDeGournay]

continuation

[ETA ah no, here we go!] Curious. I'm starting to wonder whether something is happening that those present have been told not to tweet/post about.

I think the appointments belonged to @ProfessorMyrtleLion - I think she was quoting NW and then added in her personal update relating to ability to c&p - but I did read it all as NW's info the first time and was a bit perplexed!

I thought it was the opposite - that they were NW's not Myrtle's!🙃

I'm late to the Brownies discussion but want to add my bit. I went for a while, can't remember how long, and it was seriously boring. I got a housekeeping badge I didn't realise I was taking, for washing and drying a sharp knife correctly. We also did a lot of running about, which was quite good. Vague recollection suggests I was a pixie.

What did it for me was an exercise we were given to 'make something out of nothing'. Maybe I missed something in the instructions, which isn't unlikely given how dreamy I was, but even at the age of eight I knew that you can't 'make something out of nothing' so I went home and thought about it, realised it was an impossible task and went along empty handed the following week. All the other girls had brought egg boxes with bits of twig, leaves and feathers in the egg spaces, which just confused me even more because they hadn't 'made something out of nothing' at all, they'd just picked up random bits of organic matter and put them in the egg boxes. Nonetheless, they were all praised for their efforts. I stopped going soon after and sold my uniform to a girl at school.

That experience is kind of the story of my life; so much in life, especially the last ten years, just doesn't make sense.

And that it hasn't made up anything. Apparently I have

• managed neurodivergent people
• Launched a successful accreditation programme that I actually designed but was then never implemented, and
• Influenced an international election following a conflict, when actually I trained some people on campaign techniques.

It is very useful but I don't see it taking over the world any time soon.

You might like to try adding a sprig of sage to milkless tea. I was given some abroad, its very nice.

From NW

Welcome to Week 2 Day 7 Session 1 of Morrison v Belfast Film Festival at Killymeal House, Belfast. Michele Devlin is giving evidence, again. Here she is arriving.

Apologies - tech issues have stopped me tweeting but I have been taking notes. Michele Devlin is MD. Naomi Cunningham (NC) is asking questions. The claimant is Sara Morrison (SM)

NB: NOTHING I WRITE IS A VERBATIM QUOTE UNLESS IT IS IN "DIRECT QUOTES". THIS IS MAINLY A SUMMARY AND CHARACTERISATION OF WHAT'S BEING SAID IN COURT.

NC morning
MD morning
NC asked you a few q’s yesterday and suggested you were deliberately trying to blur the day on which the iv began - I didn’t put it to you why you were doing that -

NC we say the decision was taken was either 4 or 5 July - and the reason why you want it to be later is because on 4/5 July there wasn’t many complaints
MD “I don’t accept that”
NC takes her to email from 11.15am from MC’s email and says it f
MD I could never dare speak for MC but he was unaware of the process around the iv

[MC is Mark Cousins - BFF director]
NC he’s talking in this email about the investigation with you Lisa Barros D’Sa and Marie-Therese McGivern - the three people in the email in 28 June meeting “which no one can remember much about”.

NC How did you get the email addresses for the 3 July email
MD I asked Sara Morrison (SM) for more
NC you asked her on 29 June for a list of LGBTQ contacts and yet in the email there are a lot of groups that have no connection to LGBTQ

MD it was a family day out and so there may have been community groups and unions - as we learned yesterday
NC so Falls Womens’ Centre
MD yes
NC Ardoyne is a youth group - FWC is women’s centre

In recognition of your early experience with the meaning of 'something out of nothing', I hereby nominate you for the position of Professor of the Correct Meaning of 'Literally' - a very important and busy role these days

I should have posted separately.

I am in London all day tomorrow and Thursday

From NW

MD yes
NC Ardoyne is a youth group - FWC is women’s centre
MD “The name would seem to give it away”
NC Alliance for Choice?
MD “they have members who are gay”
NC “well every organisation in the world…”
MD yes we could have had a really big list

NC so this LGBT email could go to basically any group ever
MD it was a family day
NC Alliance for Choice
MD it was bridge-building
NC it was a group criticised by SM - it was a deliberate provocation

MD no
NC The Women’s Institute? They might be a little surprised to be in an LGBT group
MD I think we agreed this was a family day out, there are groups, allies
NC Sinn Fein
MD yes
NC So basically any political party. There's No DUP here

MD I haven’t seen this email since it was sent
NC this email was stuffed with as many groups as possible to “elicit” complaints - info@wrda - another group SM complained about
MD so you put them in

[big interruption from SD - doesn’t see how this is relevant - this is not in the pleadings]
J what is the relevance
NC it was added on day one
SD you rejected it as addition to the list of issues
NC it was agreed it could be addressed

[lots of legal argument]
NC this is the key issue in the case as has emerged and we understood on day 1 it was agreed we could address it
[more argument - NC is allowed to press on]

NC you put this list together with a view to generating complaints
MD I don’t accept that and I would further add that list was compiled and agreed by SM
NC and if you tricked SM into an enterprise that would allow you to start an investigation

MD I don’t accept the premise of your question
NC are BFF a considerate and generous employer
MD within the constraints that are possible - we are less so now as this has been draining all our resources.

NC and cash-strapped orgs can be generous with pay rises, but it can be generous with time off
MD not the way we work
NC you had always been generous with pay on sick leave

MD once during the pandemic SM was sick and so we as an org we suspended our normal procedures as it was a time of national crisis and many people are off sick
NC so normal procedure was that people off sick got SSP and Moyra Lock would be familiar with it

MD she was new - you’d have to ask her
NC when SM went sick she was put straight on SSP as you knew you were moving her out of the org

MD it wasn’t clear how sick she was
NC she went on sick on 26 July - you did not do anything re getting Occupational Health involved in Oct 2023
MD not my area - more Moyra
NC do you agree the prod to Lisa in October prompted a referral to OH in Nov

MD don’t know
NC and you might push someone into OH for a number of reasons - find out if they will ever work, find out when they can come back to work
MD yes

NC there was no interest in getting her to OH as you had no interest in getting her back
MD no
NC why did it take her prompting you to get to OH
MD not sure that was the case as we were trying to contact her and there was a “block of time” when she wouldn’t respond

NC SM did not work on the main BFF in 2023 and SM was therefore removed
MD yes
NC pretty hurtful if, say you did that to ML
MD Moyra hates being on the page anyway - SM was on the web page related to her job

NC which you took down.
MD “we getting tortured by all sorts of headcases… stopped by people in the street and harassed online… so I protected my staff”
NC when did the staff page come down
[MD isn’t sure. SD thinks it might be late September.]

That's OK - I thought there was a dental appt mentioned somewhere and I wondered if you were going to turn up and say 'I'm here about NW's teeth'
or if NW was going to turn up and say 'I'm here about ProfessorMyrtleLion's
teeth'

From NW

[we have moved on to the failure of MD to send SM her email password - SM wanted access to her work emails and sent her her password to the email account she was locked out of. MD insists it was a genuine mistake]

NC you ensured the email inviting SM to an investigation interview was sent to SM's gmail
MD yes
NC and you told Bethany to use SM's gmail because you knew it couldn't go to her work address
MD she was having a laptop fixed
NC that's "misdirection" isn't it - you knew she could

From NW

... not get her work emails but you needed her to read it
NC so you're asking the tribunal to believe you believed she could access her work email because you thought you had sent her the password and then told a colleague to send the investigation invitation to her gmail

Why thank you! I accept and will henceforth correct anyone who misuses the word 'literally'.

MD sounds rather snippy today.

Can't wait for those in the room to report back here at the break!

From NW

MD I didn't know she had definitely fixed the email so I thought it was best to send it to gmail
NC did this prompt you to look to see if you had definitely sent SM's work email password to the right email address
MD no I didn't know I'd made the mistake.

You can run the drinks trolley for the thread if you like.

From NW

[we got to a msg 28 July]
NC it's from SM "The log in is in my emails - I
still can't get logged in to it, I
can't remember my
password just x"
MD is this a message between me and SM?
NC I believe so - it's a bad point if not

This is in response to a q "Good morning Sara, hope you
are doing better today... get
some vitamin D from this
lovely sunny day. Could you
send your log in info for the
shared Beanbag Calendar -
I've taken on this work whilst
you're off and need access to
insert bookings. X"

I went to the dentist yesterday. London tomorrow and Thursday. Appointments on Friday so I'm free between 11.30 and 3pm.

I probably won't have caught up with the tweets by the time I start on Friday.

If this was the case, why not cc both email addresses?

I know i am late but my achievements have been few.

On deep reflection having gained a badge for cooking sausages outdoors (Brownies) I have awarded myself a Michelin Star.

Only one though. I'm not greedy but possibly having watched the next Masterchef I may award myself two.

It's in perpetuity as well.

From NW

[we are trying to work out if this came from MD. NC thinks she's got it]
NC these are messages between you and SM - agree?
[think we are agreed]
MD points to message from her "Did you get the password update for your BFF email"

And SM's response "Not yet. I spoke with my gp
this morning - he said I need
to take some time out and
offered anti-d’s and put me
on a list for cbt, but it’ll take a
while"

MD was her saying she was still unwell and hadn't looked yet
[NC moves on]
NC you eventually gave SM her password via gmail on 26 Nov
MD it was October
NC where does it say that
MD its definitely somewhere
NC SD will take it to you then in re-ex

From NW

[NC you sent her a password in July to the wrong email
MD I sent her the password
NC and in 26 Nov you don't say I'm so sorry I sent you the wrong email in July - you make it sound like it's her fault
MD and you say you sent it October
NC and her reply saying she has no record

of receiving the email in July or Oct - you don't correct her do you
MD no - I was sending her her password
NC you don't clear the issue up that you sent her the email to the wrong address
MD no I'm a busy person I was just giving her what she wanted

There is a current Webberly thread which you may also wish to ask the question on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5441964-webberly-vs-joyce

I'm sure someone on that thread will know exactly what she was doing during those years!

From NW

J did you reply to SM's email to clarify
MD I think I did. I'd have to go and check the records
[we move on to a doc in the bundle which suggests the October email was bundled into a reply to Subject Access Request]
NC so when you say SM was sent an email it was