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Sara Morrison v BFF thread 4

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MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 14:41

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NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 17/11/2025 18:14

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 17/11/2025 17:56

Bit like the dubious Dr U's Christmas eve midnightish set to with Sandie, run round ward, cry to boss, escorted to car, sit in car to type contemporaneous notes, drive home and write letter of complaint by 3 am Christmas morning timings!

Oh god I cant wait to hear Sandy Kemps thoughts on that.

I think I will spend thos evening reading the SP submissions to be ready for the decision, presumably hot on the heels of the conclusion of SM's hearing.

NotAtMyAge · 17/11/2025 18:19

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 17/11/2025 18:12

My grandad had a car, with pop-up semafore indicators that used to stick so he'd have to use hand signals instead whenever he turned left or right.

But that was late 1930s early 1940s so I only ever heard him talk about it.

Closest I got to a car as a child!

OK I'm kidding we got taxis once in a blue moon!

That sounds remarkably like our first car in the mid-60s which was an ancient Ford Popular with the same kind of indicators and a 3 speed gearbox which meant learning how to double-declutch. 😱 I tried to learn to drive with an instructor with a 4-speed gearbox and my father taking me out for practice with the 3-speed. 😬It wasn't really surprising that I failed my first test and didn't try again for several years.

moto748e · 17/11/2025 18:19

ProfessorOfAllTheThings · 17/11/2025 18:05

Absolutely

Some very important facts have been made clear

  1. there is basically no way for a gender critical woman to seek support from or be represented by or appear in front of anyone in positions of authority in the unions without having to accept that they will have been subjected to or part of TRA rhetoric and agenda setting

  2. you can lie about who you are, what qualifications you have and still be elevated into positions of social and legal authority, be invited to be part of government meetings, advise parliament, win awards, receive grants etc etc and get away with it

There is absolutely no way these 2 things have arisen here and couldn't happen very easily again anywhere else

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LondonProfessor66 · 17/11/2025 18:23

DH was amused, when dropping DD's stuff at the Big Yellow nearest uni, that the next door unit was advertising that it paid cash for second hand clothes. SHe may very well need their services at the end of this year.....

NebulousDeadline · 17/11/2025 18:25

Brownies were definitely a prod a activity in my area. Held in Orange Hall (freezing old building) and guides in Presbyterian Church hall (warmer). However membership was (is?) quite small as Girls' Brigade was the big thing and to a lesser extent Girls' Friendly Society. I suspect the other 2 are strictly for girls only at all ages.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/11/2025 18:26

Qualifications: I have a resuscitation certificate¹ from the Royal Navy, so wish henceforth to be addressed as Admiral.

¹ Technically I couldn't push hard enough on Resuscianne's chest to make the green light come on, but they took pity on me for being a rather slight 7 year old and gave me the certificate anyway.

SternlyMatthews · 17/11/2025 18:30

MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 18:12

Thank you to you and socialdilemmawhattodo.
I know I'm swimming against the tide, but a few things have seemed a bit... tenuous, a bit of a reach, and therefore a bit unfair, and I had to say so.

I am a fan of NC too, and any time I've slightly doubted her in the past, she has proved me precipitous and wrong, and I hope she proves me wrong again.

But she'll have to produce something very convincing to justify bringing up three women's relationship status [not just MD and Ruth, but the uninvolved partner is now part of this too] in 2011...

edited to say this was in reply to a post which didn't get quoted when I thought it did!

Edited

I felt that this might have been raised bcos part of the employers case against SM was that her speech would damage working relationships with partner organisations, but here is a line manager's behaviour 15 years ago still damaging working relations. Sauce for the goose?
But quite right to swim against the tide, dare to be a daniella

moto748e · 17/11/2025 18:34

Seems fair to say that everything NC does, she does with a purpose. And one that is surely more than just discomfiting the witness. Guess we'll have to see whether the end justifies the means.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 17/11/2025 18:36

I wasn't a Brownie but a Juno, in the vilest coloured uniform ever (bright green dress with a pale blue tie). We did military drilling, marching in church parades & Pilgrim's Progress. I forget what else - maybe nothing else. Chanting bible verses, I think: they shall mount up with wings as eagles, etc.

England in the 1960s.

Later on I joined the Guides, which was much more fun: hiking, lighting fires, camping holidays, creative stuff, a trip to a World House, even. They seem to be called World Centres now.

CriticalCondition · 17/11/2025 18:38

I have some sympathy for individuals who like to keep their private lives private. But not 'local personalities' who like to raise their profile with 'Life' pieces all about their 'special relationships' and name partners, parents, best friends, mentors, even housemates.

In a Belfast Telegraph profile in 2014 Ruth McCarthy had been partnered up with someone new for 18 months. It seems quite possible everyone moved on and there was indeed a back channel to be exploited.
Belfast Telegraph

Friday People: we chat to festival director Ruth McCarthy

The 44-year-old from Belfast is the director of the Outburst Queer Arts Festival, which is currently running in venues across the city.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/friday-people-we-chat-to-festival-director-ruth-mccarthy/30761639.html

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 17/11/2025 18:39

Finally caught up.
Former Brownie. Any other Gnomes out there? I was a Seconder. The Sixer was younger than me, but she had joined the week before me, thus teaching me the invaluable lesson that life's not fair.
I earned a Housekeeping badge, and an Arts and Crafts badge. My oeuvre for the latter included a lighthouse carved from white soap. A masterpiece it was.
I-Spy books for me were synonymous with long car journeys, and I'm planning to buy some for me my GC.
Anyway, keep up the c&p'ing, sleuthing and commentating. MN does indeed rock.

ProfessorDoctorJudgeOfSteel · 17/11/2025 18:41

ProfessorFanOfBen · 17/11/2025 18:13

Possibly outing as so unusual these days, but as someone who does not own a car and has offspring at university, I was shocked to find that (at least, where offspring is) these days they have to move out of their rooms completely every term, with no possibility to leave anything stored at university. Fortunately there are storage services marketed at students for exactly this eventuality, which will take boxes away for you and bring them back for the next term! Offspring has developed a usefully stringent approach to what Stuff is necessary.

That’s so handy to know. One of mine is likely to go that route and neither of us went to uni so we’re clueless. She got shortlisted at school in a postcode thing for smart kids that come from postcodes with low university applicants, but wasn’t picked. She would have had all sorts of careers advice and help with applications. Although I can now tell her not to worry, it’s dead easy to become a professor just by winging it.

AnnaMagnani · 17/11/2025 18:46

ProfessorDoctorJudgeOfSteel · 17/11/2025 18:41

That’s so handy to know. One of mine is likely to go that route and neither of us went to uni so we’re clueless. She got shortlisted at school in a postcode thing for smart kids that come from postcodes with low university applicants, but wasn’t picked. She would have had all sorts of careers advice and help with applications. Although I can now tell her not to worry, it’s dead easy to become a professor just by winging it.

We had to move in and out each term back in the 90s, I got very good at packing all my stuff into a Ford Fiesta very quickly.

I did try leaving a bottle of vodka locked in the wardrobe one holiday, unsurprisingly the wardrobe was broken on my return and no vodka.

Largesso · 17/11/2025 18:47

ProfessorFanOfBen · 17/11/2025 18:05

We, me included, have been assuming that MD having gone off with Ruth McCarthy's partner indicates that they are on bad terms and this communication is unlikely. It's possible, though, that indeed the intervening time has softened everyone's feelings, they're all now on good terms, and in fact what's happening is that MD has a very effective backchannel to RMcC via her current partner who is RMcC's ex. Perhaps that's how come RMcC was in a position to write such an extensive mail so soon? Possibly more will become clear.

I would agree on the back channel.

I think the complication of partner theft stalled a working relationship and I think that was NCs point. From the entire history of no collaboration to a response that was entirely unnecessary given that whole history strongly suggests a back channel.

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 17/11/2025 18:48

Please may we all send our newly enhanced CVs to NHSFife HR dept by way of applying for the newly vacated CEO post?

SexRealistic · 17/11/2025 18:50

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 17/11/2025 18:48

Please may we all send our newly enhanced CVs to NHSFife HR dept by way of applying for the newly vacated CEO post?

I mean it’s actually great to see things moving…..

But so far to go.

ProfessorDoctorJudgeOfSteel · 17/11/2025 18:52

AnnaMagnani · 17/11/2025 18:46

We had to move in and out each term back in the 90s, I got very good at packing all my stuff into a Ford Fiesta very quickly.

I did try leaving a bottle of vodka locked in the wardrobe one holiday, unsurprisingly the wardrobe was broken on my return and no vodka.

One of life’s big lessons - never leaving your booze unattended. 😆

MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 18:55

CriticalCondition · 17/11/2025 18:38

I have some sympathy for individuals who like to keep their private lives private. But not 'local personalities' who like to raise their profile with 'Life' pieces all about their 'special relationships' and name partners, parents, best friends, mentors, even housemates.

In a Belfast Telegraph profile in 2014 Ruth McCarthy had been partnered up with someone new for 18 months. It seems quite possible everyone moved on and there was indeed a back channel to be exploited.
Belfast Telegraph

It was in a series of gossipy chatty 'people' articles ['celebrity would be going too far] about relationships of all kinds, and it was in 2014.

She probably didn't think it would be used against her at an ET in 2025!

I notice that her best friend [at the time anyway..] is a human rights barrister..

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ProfessorThreeWordHarpy · 17/11/2025 18:56

Thanks to everyone for your commentary. I am currently in warm climes on a last minute holiday and have spent all afternoon suggesting to DH that it was time for a drink and a sit down as we pootled around our nearest “old town”. He had me sussed and kept asking “are you really that thirsty or do you just want to read MN?”. He agreed it was time for ice cream at 3pm but I think the world was refreshing NW’s Twitter feed at that point so I gave it up as a bad job, and have just caught up while soaking my feet back at the hotel.

(Never a member of a guiding organisation but do have grade 1,2 and 3 music theory certificates. )

Domesticatednottamed · 17/11/2025 18:56

Trying to catch up, and I know it may not be verbatim but:

"I don't accept that it's more complex"

"it's very complex"

That'll do, drink!!!

Also, you don't get to complain about verbal gymnastics, you really don't, not when everyone else is expected to put up with leaping over the bloody wooden horse.
I've just been served in a shop by a young man, ze/zyr according to one of his gazillion badges, and he thought it was fine to call me sweetie and darling, the fucking nerve. I bottled it but wish I'd at least said "Bye petal". DH laughed his way back to the car.

Oh and (brightens up), I have grade 5 music theory, grade 8 violin and grade 7 piano, passed my cycling proficiency and called Snowy Owl thick.

weegielass · 17/11/2025 19:01

oft this thread has moved on too fast, cannae keep up

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 17/11/2025 19:02

To be fair to you all, I think that after seeing the way SP was buoyed up by all the support postcards she received then, as Fife's first and only Professor of Support Postcards, I will obviously be a shoe-in for the CEO role. But if you all apply with your doctorates in crossing roads safely and making elegant forward rolls, then everyone in Fife can know that I beat off a high level of competition for the role.

I look forward to removing the problematic datix system, and inviting the local Scout troops to implement an internal postcard system for the safe collection of clinical and organisational data.

I will pay the Scouts in Snickers bars, and promote the best of them to befriend anaphylactic children and encourage them to remain in the waiting area until the kind emergency doctors have finished crying and are ready to see them.

SexRealistic · 17/11/2025 19:03

That was a day.

I think when the Judge said, “that’s not the way we do things around here” on Friday, she may have had to adapt to a new way of doing things.

Well considered response to the application. It was rebuffed and I’m sure that if anything is due to come out it will. If no bias all good, on we go.

Hostile witness wouldn’t be in it.

MD said the oddest thing. When she was offered to finish up today and be released from oath she said something along the line of - It’s been long and it’s exhausting being under oath and not being able to talk to anyone. So the normal follow on would be, let’s get this over with (since she’d only been on the stand 40mins or so). Instead she said so I’m happy to be under oath again tonight.

Her choice but the constant inconguence of her thoughts or behaviours is really difficult to follow. She had one supporter today but no one from the board.

It’s been a long enough stint for folk. They’ve clearly worked the weekend. Sara is holding up - but it’s been a long two years and she’s been so ostracised. She’s a warrior.

Everyone was alert 🚨 Mumsnet likely had a few hits from Belfast postcodes.

Namechanged999999 · 17/11/2025 19:05

Domesticatednottamed · 17/11/2025 18:56

Trying to catch up, and I know it may not be verbatim but:

"I don't accept that it's more complex"

"it's very complex"

That'll do, drink!!!

Also, you don't get to complain about verbal gymnastics, you really don't, not when everyone else is expected to put up with leaping over the bloody wooden horse.
I've just been served in a shop by a young man, ze/zyr according to one of his gazillion badges, and he thought it was fine to call me sweetie and darling, the fucking nerve. I bottled it but wish I'd at least said "Bye petal". DH laughed his way back to the car.

Oh and (brightens up), I have grade 5 music theory, grade 8 violin and grade 7 piano, passed my cycling proficiency and called Snowy Owl thick.

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Seriously impressed with grade 8 violin - please accept a knighthood!

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