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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sara Morrison v BFF thread 4

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MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 14:41

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ProfessorMyAmpleSheep · 17/11/2025 17:35

ProfessorSzygy · 17/11/2025 17:07

Is 'refuse the recuse' anything to do with the chalice from the Palace and the brew that is true? 😜

(Sorry. Couldn’t resist. Back to the thread which I’m still catching up on since my elevation to Professordom)

Edited

'Allo 'Allo got an honourable mention earlier, so perhaps more to do with the drug in the jug.

TheRevDocProfKittyWilkinsonTSB · 17/11/2025 17:35

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/11/2025 17:07

He's an employee panel member, not a union one. Employee members tend to be union people because that gives them relevant experience, but they don't have to be. And he shouldn't be on any side.

Sorry it was a slip of my typing out my thinking. Yes I know he shouldn't be on anyone's side.

I'd lapsed into old Whitley speak when I typed trade union side rather than employee. My mistake.

My point, clumsily made, and now probably totally irrelevant, was that:
MM was very involved in his own union at senior level for a very long time. It's that experience which got him onto the Panel all those years ago.

To not continue his membership of his union as a retired member for only £10 per annum on retirement in 2018 strikes me as rather odd. Social and other benefits still with such a membership, legal advice, insurance deals etc.

Of course he is perfectly entitled to cancel his membership. It was an observation that is all.

Handy that he did have that hand to play given that NC wanted to recuse him.

So neither he nor Boyd needed to be recused on the matters raised by NC. How fortuitous for the Judge. NC doesn't go looking for recusal on a whim I'm fairly sure. But nothing to see here and I'll move along.

But the thread has well moved on. My apologies for wrong terminology in my earlier post.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/11/2025 17:40

buckeejit · 17/11/2025 17:06

Just to reiterate that Norn Iron is very wee so we’ve all at least snogged several of our mates’ husbands & wives at some stage in the past & the love triangle isn’t so surprising! 😆

I’d love to go sit in on the court next Monday if possible but can’t work out how - court lists weren’t helpful. Does anyone know if the public can just turn up in the morning or is there more to it?

I have to go feed people now but that was a good day & seems to be going really well!

It's supposed to end this Friday, so there'll be nothing to sit in on on Monday.

Madcats · 17/11/2025 17:40

In other news, the Fife case judgment might be iminent; the NHS Fife Chief Exec is taking early retirement.

I can't remember who I am on the other thread.

ProfessorEmerita · 17/11/2025 17:42

Getting to and from university at the beginning and end of terms was - interesting.

1970s: After being driven down (or up, depending on which convention you follow) for the start of my first year I always travelled by train, a journey involving at least two changes. I used to send my trunk in advance on the train. I don’t remember any of the details of how that worked after we dropped the trunk off at the station, but somehow it reappeared in my college room/digs.

(I had registered this username at some time before this tribunal, I can’t remember when)

nearlyoldie · 17/11/2025 17:45

I am one of the silent followers and have been gripped by this thread over the weekend. I am in awe of the intelligence and wit of the posters here. Nothing to add myself but wanted to state my admiration.

And I did a basic life saving course 4 years ago so can I now call myself Dr ?

ProfessorEmerita · 17/11/2025 17:49

ProfessorMyAmpleSheep · 17/11/2025 17:35

'Allo 'Allo got an honourable mention earlier, so perhaps more to do with the drug in the jug.

Possibly. The pellet with the poison’s in the vessel with the pestle.

ProfessorDoctorJudgeOfSteel · 17/11/2025 17:50

moto748e · 17/11/2025 17:29

What if you didn't have a car and didn't go to university? Could anyone's life withstand these body-blows? 😁

Mine has.🤣 I’m just a prole. At least the men don’t try to go in the women’s toilets where I live. Every cloud…

StanfreyPock · 17/11/2025 17:51

Have been madly trying to catch up with this thread and laughed out loud when all the professors appeared one after the other, you are all brilliant!
Another flippin' shitshow here, and all the worse for the small world shenanigans of NI.
Keep up the good work and I shall be musing on my chosen honorific...

ProfessorDoctorJudgeOfSteel · 17/11/2025 17:52

ProfessorDoctorJudgeOfSteel · 17/11/2025 17:50

Mine has.🤣 I’m just a prole. At least the men don’t try to go in the women’s toilets where I live. Every cloud…

I mean in my local pubs.

Talkinpeace · 17/11/2025 17:56

Although today's Recusal failed
the seismic shift underneath justice in Northern Ireland
will not go away so quickly

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 17/11/2025 17:56

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 17/11/2025 17:14

That's a very comprehensive response to have written by 9.28 the day after receiving the CC everyone invitation.

Especially since it took 'all f-ing day' for MD to formulate a single response tweet when this initially kicked off.

Bit like the dubious Dr U's Christmas eve midnightish set to with Sandie, run round ward, cry to boss, escorted to car, sit in car to type contemporaneous notes, drive home and write letter of complaint by 3 am Christmas morning timings!

NotAtMyAge · 17/11/2025 17:57

busybusybusy2015 · 17/11/2025 17:13

My goodness, that's actually a real eye-opener. It never before occurred to me that being often car-based means I Spy wasn't a universal childhood hobby. Checking my privilege 😳 The things I learn here are so surprising 🙏

We didn't either. My father had a small motorcycle to get to work when I was little, but didn't pass his test to drive a car until he was in his early 50s, by which time I was at university. Childhood transport was always buses or trains.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 17/11/2025 17:58

ProfessorStlcakethereforeIam · 17/11/2025 17:09

This was the type of imp badge I wore 😲 Fucking terrifying. MN might censor it. I wouldn't blame them.

I had to give you a 💛response, because there wasn't a 😱one.

ProfessorOfAllTheThings · 17/11/2025 17:59

socialdilemmawhattodo · 17/11/2025 17:16

I have agreed with @MarieDeGournayon many of her thoughtful posts over the last few days. And going after stuff from a long time ago is an interesting tactic when this world has changed so much over the last 8-10 years. But I can see your viewpoint on this as well. So definitely getting splinters here. What struck me about that email was its great length and the trans-bingo hits in every paragraph. That would have taken some time to put together.

I think @MarieDeGournay is right in her discomfort and I don't not feel the same.

It's just that I think it will be more thought through and with a better basis than cheap thrills and gossip. This comes from my fan girl/ crush position on NC and I completely accept that I am less than objective and clear sighted because I acknowledge my bias!

ProfessorOfAllTheThings · 17/11/2025 17:59

ifIwerenotanandroid · 17/11/2025 17:58

I had to give you a 💛response, because there wasn't a 😱one.

They did censor it! Hilarious!

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 17/11/2025 18:03

nearlyoldie · 17/11/2025 17:45

I am one of the silent followers and have been gripped by this thread over the weekend. I am in awe of the intelligence and wit of the posters here. Nothing to add myself but wanted to state my admiration.

And I did a basic life saving course 4 years ago so can I now call myself Dr ?

I'm surprised you aren't already called Dr with that experience!

ProfessorEmerita · 17/11/2025 18:03

nearlyoldie · 17/11/2025 17:45

I am one of the silent followers and have been gripped by this thread over the weekend. I am in awe of the intelligence and wit of the posters here. Nothing to add myself but wanted to state my admiration.

And I did a basic life saving course 4 years ago so can I now call myself Dr ?

I did my Bronze Medallion for Lifesaving about 55 years ago and was given an Actual Medallion. Perhaps that’s my qualification for being a Professor?

It was in a seaside resort. All the male sixth formers who did the course were offered jobs as lifeguards for the summer season, but the female ones were not. Had I known then about identifying as the opposite sex I could have joined the men.

I’m trying, and failing, to link Medal lion with Professor Myrtle Lion.

ProfessorOfAllTheThings · 17/11/2025 18:05

Talkinpeace · 17/11/2025 17:56

Although today's Recusal failed
the seismic shift underneath justice in Northern Ireland
will not go away so quickly

Absolutely

Some very important facts have been made clear

  1. there is basically no way for a gender critical woman to seek support from or be represented by or appear in front of anyone in positions of authority in the unions without having to accept that they will have been subjected to or part of TRA rhetoric and agenda setting

  2. you can lie about who you are, what qualifications you have and still be elevated into positions of social and legal authority, be invited to be part of government meetings, advise parliament, win awards, receive grants etc etc and get away with it

There is absolutely no way these 2 things have arisen here and couldn't happen very easily again anywhere else

ProfessorFanOfBen · 17/11/2025 18:05

We, me included, have been assuming that MD having gone off with Ruth McCarthy's partner indicates that they are on bad terms and this communication is unlikely. It's possible, though, that indeed the intervening time has softened everyone's feelings, they're all now on good terms, and in fact what's happening is that MD has a very effective backchannel to RMcC via her current partner who is RMcC's ex. Perhaps that's how come RMcC was in a position to write such an extensive mail so soon? Possibly more will become clear.

NotAtMyAge · 17/11/2025 18:09

ProfessorEmerita · 17/11/2025 17:42

Getting to and from university at the beginning and end of terms was - interesting.

1970s: After being driven down (or up, depending on which convention you follow) for the start of my first year I always travelled by train, a journey involving at least two changes. I used to send my trunk in advance on the train. I don’t remember any of the details of how that worked after we dropped the trunk off at the station, but somehow it reappeared in my college room/digs.

(I had registered this username at some time before this tribunal, I can’t remember when)

Starting in 1965 I went to and from college by long-distance coach (cheaper than train) and sent my trunk via the wonderful BRS (British Road Services) who would collect it from home and deliver it to college and vice-versa for a remarkably reasonable charge. Thankfully I only needed them at the beginning and end of each academic year as I could leave my trunk in college between terms and just take a suitcase home for the holidays.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/11/2025 18:11

Sorry, I forget who suggested earlier that MD is the embodiment of 'hostile witness' in the lay sense even though she's not in the legal one (Squeaky?). She really is. Practically growling at points, arguing back, interrupting.

The judge, in contrast, is the picture of scrupulous politeness. I don't think NC has any need to worry about personal hostility after Friday's shenanigans. Professional relations are intact.

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 17/11/2025 18:12

My grandad had a car, with pop-up semafore indicators that used to stick so he'd have to use hand signals instead whenever he turned left or right.

But that was late 1930s early 1940s so I only ever heard him talk about it.

Closest I got to a car as a child!

OK I'm kidding we got taxis once in a blue moon!

MarieDeGournay · 17/11/2025 18:12

Thank you to you and socialdilemmawhattodo.
I know I'm swimming against the tide, but a few things have seemed a bit... tenuous, a bit of a reach, and therefore a bit unfair, and I had to say so.

I am a fan of NC too, and any time I've slightly doubted her in the past, she has proved me precipitous and wrong, and I hope she proves me wrong again.

But she'll have to produce something very convincing to justify bringing up three women's relationship status [not just MD and Ruth, but the uninvolved partner is now part of this too] in 2011...

edited to say this was in reply to a post which didn't get quoted when I thought it did!

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ProfessorFanOfBen · 17/11/2025 18:13

Possibly outing as so unusual these days, but as someone who does not own a car and has offspring at university, I was shocked to find that (at least, where offspring is) these days they have to move out of their rooms completely every term, with no possibility to leave anything stored at university. Fortunately there are storage services marketed at students for exactly this eventuality, which will take boxes away for you and bring them back for the next term! Offspring has developed a usefully stringent approach to what Stuff is necessary.

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